The Protestant Reformation Explained Like Never Before
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29-12-2011, 08:32 PM (This post was last modified: 29-12-2011 08:39 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: The Protestant Reformation Explained Like Never Before
(29-12-2011 04:10 PM)cufflink Wrote:  
(29-12-2011 02:46 PM)AbdelZ Wrote:  Protestantism did a lot more than just that with many unintended side effects like atheism, materialism, humanism, secularism, liberalism, socialism, capitalism, sexual freedom, rights for gays ....: watch the docu

I guess Martin Luther would not pretty much like what his movement had lead to beyond his imagination if he would happen to take a look at this so-called modern time

Just so we understand you: You're saying you feel that all the things you mentioned in that list of yours are bad?

Dunno why you would guess that, AbdelZ. Being educated in a Lutheran parochial school for K-9, I have no reason to think Martin Luther didn't anticipate all of those side effects. Even if he didn't, I don't think they would've bothered him. ... Or at least not as much as the Catholic Church bothered him.

(29-12-2011 07:02 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  Would that really be a surprise from the Abdelz character? He's got -7 rep for a reason...

I gotta give him temporary props for suppressing his internal prickness (which we all have) so far in this thread.

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29-12-2011, 11:42 PM
RE: Science & Islam
(29-12-2011 01:31 PM)AbdelZ Wrote:  
(29-12-2011 01:13 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  I don't think anyone's arguing that the early Muslim countries didn't make great scientific advances. That's clear in this Mr. Deity clip if nowhere else. What we don't believe is that there's any correlation between the Muslim religion and scientific discoveries. The advances they made were despite the Q'uran, not because of it.

Deadly Wrong :

The scientific method, induction...came right out of the .....Qur'an mainly :

I don't think you understand the scientific method, then. It includes a hypothesis and a conclusion, which are allowed to be different. The religious, including Muslims, do not accept conclusions that contradict what they expect to happen - to be more specific, a Muslim scientist will not accept a test's conclusion if it contradicts the teachings of the Q'uran.

And it should be noted that biased sources will produce a biased opinion. Perhaps you should cite sources that don't have an agenda except to give you knowledge?
(29-12-2011 02:52 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Reputation : -7

C'mon, guys, let it go - that's straight up ad hominem.

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