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24-04-2016, 05:13 PM
RE: The Psychology of Atheism
(24-04-2016 04:44 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 02:43 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, it's not. It is a convention of rational thinkers, some of whom are atheist.


It's a convention for atheist that identity as rational thinkers. A point that should be fairly obvious when looking at the list of speakers. Let me know the next time a theists speaker headlines the show.

You are, as usual, wrong. You have a skewed, pre-suppositional, judgmental perspective.

The name of the gathering does not contain the word 'atheist'.
The stated purpose of the gathering does not contain the word 'atheist'.
The organizer is not an atheist organisation.

All it shows is that rational, critical thinking often leads to atheism.

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24-04-2016, 05:16 PM
The Psychology of Atheism
(24-04-2016 05:13 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 04:44 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  It's a convention for atheist that identity as rational thinkers. A point that should be fairly obvious when looking at the list of speakers. Let me know the next time a theists speaker headlines the show.

You are, as usual, wrong. You have a skewed, pre-suppositional, judgmental perspective.

The name of the gathering does not contain the word 'atheist'.
The stated purpose of the gathering does not contain the word 'atheist'.
The organizer is not an atheist organisation.

All it shows is that rational, critical thinking often leads to atheism.


It's says on the website it's for those who hold that they can be Good without, or in other words those who hold that they can be atheists and be good.

All the speakers are atheists, and you've got to be kidding yourself if you think they're appealing to both theists and atheists alike. It's quite evident which audience their aiming towards, and it's not theists.

They're not trying to get me to come to the convention, they're looking square at you. Duh.

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24-04-2016, 05:21 PM
The Psychology of Atheism
"To dispel stereotypes ("there is no one 'True Atheist' "). Participation by non-theists of all political persuasions, ethnicities, genders, and backgrounds was encouraged. The intent was to show that there are secular Americans in every major demographic."

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"Organizers said the aim of the rally was twofold: to unite individuals with similar beliefs and to show the American public that the number of people who don’t believe in God is large and growing. “We have the numbers to be taken seriously,” said Paul Fidalgo, spokesman for the Center for Inquiry, which promotes the scientific method and reasoning and was one of the organizations sponsoring the rally. “We’re not just a tiny fringe group.”[9]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_Rally

So there, it should be clear at this point that it's an atheists gathering.




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24-04-2016, 05:27 PM
RE: The Psychology of Atheism
(24-04-2016 05:16 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  It's says on the website it's for those who hold that they can be Good without, or in other words those who hold that they can be atheists and be good.
Or perhaps, even those theists who think that they could be good even if god weren't watching.
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24-04-2016, 05:29 PM
The Psychology of Atheism
(24-04-2016 05:27 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 05:16 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  It's says on the website it's for those who hold that they can be Good without, or in other words those who hold that they can be atheists and be good.
Or perhaps, even those theists who think that they could be good even if god weren't watching.


Nope, read the above posts, where it's clear as day who the audience is.

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24-04-2016, 05:30 PM
RE: The Psychology of Atheism
(24-04-2016 05:21 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  "To dispel stereotypes ("there is no one 'True Atheist' "). Participation by non-theists of all political persuasions, ethnicities, genders, and backgrounds was encouraged. The intent was to show that there are secular Americans in every major demographic."

...

"Organizers said the aim of the rally was twofold: to unite individuals with similar beliefs and to show the American public that the number of people who don’t believe in God is large and growing. “We have the numbers to be taken seriously,” said Paul Fidalgo, spokesman for the Center for Inquiry, which promotes the scientific method and reasoning and was one of the organizations sponsoring the rally. “We’re not just a tiny fringe group.”[9]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_Rally

So there, it should be clear at this point that it's an atheists gathering.




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Quote:The Reason Rally was a rally for secularism and religious skepticism held on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. on March 24, 2012.[1][2] The rally was sponsored by major atheistic and secular organizations of the United States and was regarded as a "Woodstock for atheists and skeptics".

You seem to have a selective reading problem. Drinking Beverage

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24-04-2016, 05:33 PM
RE: The Psychology of Atheism
(24-04-2016 05:21 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  So there, it should be clear at this point that it's an atheists gathering.

Do you have any point to make? Drinking Beverage

Or are you just trolling for the sake of trolling?

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24-04-2016, 05:33 PM
The Psychology of Atheism
(24-04-2016 05:30 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 05:21 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  "To dispel stereotypes ("there is no one 'True Atheist' "). Participation by non-theists of all political persuasions, ethnicities, genders, and backgrounds was encouraged. The intent was to show that there are secular Americans in every major demographic."

...

"Organizers said the aim of the rally was twofold: to unite individuals with similar beliefs and to show the American public that the number of people who don’t believe in God is large and growing. “We have the numbers to be taken seriously,” said Paul Fidalgo, spokesman for the Center for Inquiry, which promotes the scientific method and reasoning and was one of the organizations sponsoring the rally. “We’re not just a tiny fringe group.”[9]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_Rally

So there, it should be clear at this point that it's an atheists gathering.




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Quote:The Reason Rally was a rally for secularism and religious skepticism held on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. on March 24, 2012.[1][2] The rally was sponsored by major atheistic and secular organizations of the United States and was regarded as a "Woodstock for atheists and skeptics".

You seem to have a selective reading problem. Drinking Beverage


It appears you do. You work quite hard to avoid admitting that you were wrong even when beat over the head with it. When the organizers are pointing to their audience as representing those who don't believe in God, your argument is dead.

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24-04-2016, 06:49 PM (This post was last modified: 24-04-2016 08:34 PM by ClydeLee.)
RE: The Psychology of Atheism
(24-04-2016 05:33 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 05:30 PM)Chas Wrote:  You seem to have a selective reading problem. Drinking Beverage


It appears you do. You work quite hard to avoid admitting that you were wrong even when beat over the head with it. When the organizers are pointing to their audience as representing those who don't believe in God, your argument is dead.

What DEFINES what it is?

Is it WHO it is for? Or WHAT it's about in mission statement and title?

If you think who the organizers are pointing out as the audience are what makes it a atheist convention, that's fine but you can be aware of what reasons you have for it.

It's like disconnected arguments on what makes a concert a punk concert. Is it a punk concert because the band is a punk band playing punk music or is it a punk concert because the audience is a large gathering of punk music fans all rallied up for the concert? What of the punk band decided to play new tracks by their own and expressed that, but punk fans came to their surprise hearing blues rock played instead. Is it still a punk concert? It's just a what makes it defined which way to someone back n forth.

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24-04-2016, 08:27 PM
RE: The Psychology of Atheism
Well, in my opinion, the Reason Rally is obviously an atheist organisation and event. All the speakers are atheist and the targeted audience is atheists. It makes an emphasis on skeptical inquiry because it's a powerful tool to debunk theism, but also New Age woo like crystal healing, naturopathy or homeopathy. It's not an excluding theist either, but it's clearly designed to promote secularism (AKA non-religious way of life), skeptical inquiry, atheism, gender, sexual and racial rights. All these things are powerful vector of atheism. The more sceptical, secular and tolerant of diversity you are, the more likely you are to be atheist. Since «New Atheism» became a thing almost 30 years ago, we can say that there is a sort of atheist community and frankly there is nothing wrong, or strange, with that. As for the idea that there is a specific psychological profile for atheists, I think it's like trying to make a psychological profile of any million strong community, you will simply present a stereotype that will in no way help understand or represent the community correctly. It's a waste of time, reductive and even a bit insulting, while at the same time avoiding interesting questions about its demographic.

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