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29-09-2017, 06:49 AM
RE: The Puerto Rico disaster
(29-09-2017 06:42 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  CNN has a report that the container port manager at San Juan says they're filled to capacity with incoming supplies, but the infrastructure isn't capable of distributing all that stuff.

Story is a video on this page: http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/news/roy...index.html

It's like any job you do around the house.. You go to grab a special tool, only to find the tool needs work before you can begin.....


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At least with stuff on the mainland - when you clear away the mess to get at the problem - you have someplace else to put the mess you cleaned up....

A bit of a problem on an island. It,' s going to be shuffling wreckage for some time to come.

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29-09-2017, 06:49 AM
RE: The Puerto Rico disaster
Yeah, but the LSDs and LHDs that are available could provide off-load capabilities for ships offshore. LCACs can bust ass on round-trips to and from ships at the blue water line. Both classes of ships are helo capable, so they could drop supplies inland where things are blocked. And by going with amphibs you get around many of the land lanes that are currently blocked by landslides, flooding undermining, etc. It's a start. It's also a hell of a training opportunity.

And our unrep (Underway Replenishment) ships can deliver by helo as well.
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29-09-2017, 06:52 AM
RE: The Puerto Rico disaster
(29-09-2017 06:49 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Yeah, but the LSDs and LHDs that are available could provide off-load capabilities for ships offshore. LCACs can bust ass on round-trips to and from ships at the blue water line. Both classes of ships are helo capable, so they could drop supplies inland where things are blocked. And by going with amphibs you get around many of the land lanes that are currently blocked by landslides, flooding undermining, etc. It's a start. It's also a hell of a training opportunity.

Yeah, and in time I' m sure that will happen....


But spooling up???

The shit takes time.

No way around it.

It' s nobody's fault.

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29-09-2017, 06:55 AM
RE: The Puerto Rico disaster
Not assigning blame in my post, just saying the options are there if the will to employ them is there as well. I'm not sure Thump knew PR is US territory.
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29-09-2017, 08:46 AM
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(29-09-2017 06:30 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Amphibious ships don't have most of those problems. They don't even need ports. But the Navy has to have orders.

They need hospitals? The LHDs have medical suites intended to handle mass casualties from amphibious assaults.

Thank you, that was my point. The USA has an absurdly big and flexible military force, capable of doing anything they want. This military machine could do shit like delivering emergency supplies to Puerto Rico in a heartbeat, without losing a sweat.

Heres another example, of how things can.get.done if the situation is just pressing enough: Berlin Airlift

Population
Berlin 1948: 2mio
Puerto Rico 2017: 3.4mio

Quote:Altogether, a total of 692 aircraft were engaged in the Berlin Airlift
How many transport aircraft does the USAF have at its disposal today?

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29-09-2017, 09:00 AM
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Yep, political will is lacking. No profit in it for him.
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29-09-2017, 07:00 PM
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(29-09-2017 06:21 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  To be really fair, it' s not like they can load up a bunch of trucks and drive there.


Fly in??

Sure, if you have a clear runway, a aircraft control system and navigational equipment and refueling equipment ( planes have to leave too) all operational.

But, they don't.

The hurricane missed the "No Storms Allowed" signs they had posted.

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By boat???

Sure, you just need a working port that' s not plugged by storm sunken vessels, and a working waterfront with electricity to operate the offloading gantries, refrigeration equipment, ect, ect....


See the difference yet???

The difference is Trump. Supplies have already reached Puerto Rico and are sitting at the ports. They can't be delivered because there aren't enough truck drivers. The issue isn't the ports or ability to get supplies or people there. The problem is the lack of understanding of what was needed right from the beginning. It was predictable that drivers would be needed since the Puerto Rican drivers were themselves impacted by the storm. Texas and Florida had drivers come in from other states for the same reason. Obviously, this isn't as easy to accomplish for Puerto Rico, but the need for it should have been known. Those drivers could have been there by now.

It's a little difficult for a President to think things through properly or to direct his staff to think things through for him when he's distracted by "more important things" like posting on Twitter about the NFL. Dodgy Puerto Rico was not a priority.

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30-09-2017, 07:17 AM
RE: The Puerto Rico disaster
(29-09-2017 07:00 PM)Impulse Wrote:  
(29-09-2017 06:21 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  To be really fair, it' s not like they can load up a bunch of trucks and drive there.


Fly in??

Sure, if you have a clear runway, a aircraft control system and navigational equipment and refueling equipment ( planes have to leave too) all operational.

But, they don't.

The hurricane missed the "No Storms Allowed" signs they had posted.

..

By boat???

Sure, you just need a working port that' s not plugged by storm sunken vessels, and a working waterfront with electricity to operate the offloading gantries, refrigeration equipment, ect, ect....


See the difference yet???

The difference is Trump. Supplies have already reached Puerto Rico and are sitting at the ports. They can't be delivered because there aren't enough truck drivers. The issue isn't the ports or ability to get supplies or people there. The problem is the lack of understanding of what was needed right from the beginning. It was predictable that drivers would be needed since the Puerto Rican drivers were themselves impacted by the storm. Texas and Florida had drivers come in from other states for the same reason. Obviously, this isn't as easy to accomplish for Puerto Rico, but the need for it should have been known. Those drivers could have been there by now.

It's a little difficult for a President to think things through properly or to direct his staff to think things through for him when he's distracted by "more important things" like posting on Twitter about the NFL. Dodgy Puerto Rico was not a priority.

And nobody on Puerto Rico knows how to drive??

Blink

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30-09-2017, 07:27 AM
RE: The Puerto Rico disaster
(30-09-2017 07:17 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(29-09-2017 07:00 PM)Impulse Wrote:  The difference is Trump. Supplies have already reached Puerto Rico and are sitting at the ports. They can't be delivered because there aren't enough truck drivers. The issue isn't the ports or ability to get supplies or people there. The problem is the lack of understanding of what was needed right from the beginning. It was predictable that drivers would be needed since the Puerto Rican drivers were themselves impacted by the storm. Texas and Florida had drivers come in from other states for the same reason. Obviously, this isn't as easy to accomplish for Puerto Rico, but the need for it should have been known. Those drivers could have been there by now.

It's a little difficult for a President to think things through properly or to direct his staff to think things through for him when he's distracted by "more important things" like posting on Twitter about the NFL. Dodgy Puerto Rico was not a priority.

And nobody on Puerto Rico knows how to drive??

Blink

They are waiting for gas so they can drive and get to work.

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30-09-2017, 07:34 AM
RE: The Puerto Rico disaster
The head of the company that runs the container port, Crowley, says that the trucks can't get through the rubble. (CNN interview reported 2 days ago.)
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