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11-03-2014, 03:21 PM
The REAL reason Darwinists do not want academic freedom
Dr James Tour:

I don’t understand evolution, and I will confess that to you. Is that OK, for me to say, “I don’t understand this”? Is that all right? I know that there’s a lot of people out there that don’t understand anything about organic synthesis, but they understand evolution. I understand a lot about making molecules; I don’t understand evolution. And you would just say that, wow, I must be really unusual.

Let me tell you what goes on in the back rooms of science – with National Academy members, with Nobel Prize winners. I have sat with them, and when I get them alone, not in public – because it’s a scary thing, if you say what I just said – I say, “Do you understand all of this, where all of this came from, and how this happens?” Every time that I have sat with people who are synthetic chemists, who understand this, they go “Uh-uh. Nope.” These people are just so far off, on how to believe this stuff came together. I’ve sat with National Academy members, with Nobel Prize winners. Sometimes I will say, “Do you understand this?”And if they’re afraid to say “Yes,” they say nothing. They just stare at me, because they can’t sincerely do it.

I was once brought in by the Dean of the Department, many years ago, and he was a chemist. He was kind of concerned about some things. I said, “Let me ask you something. You’re a chemist. Do you understand this? How do you get DNA without a cell membrane? And how do you get a cell membrane without a DNA? And how does all this come together from this piece of jelly?” We have no idea, we have no idea. I said, “Isn’t it interesting that you, the Dean of science, and I, the chemistry professor, can talk about this quietly in your office, but we can’t go out there and talk about this?”

If you understand evolution, I am fine with that. I’m not going to try to change you – not at all. In fact, I wish I had the understanding that you have.

But about seven or eight years ago I posted on my Web site that I don’t understand. And I said, “I will buy lunch for anyone that will sit with me and explain to me evolution, and I won’t argue with you until I don’t understand something – I will ask you to clarify. But you can’t wave by and say, “This enzyme does that.” You’ve got to get down in the details of where molecules are built, for me. Nobody has come forward.

The Atheist Society contacted me. They said that they will buy the lunch, and they challenged the Atheist Society, “Go down to Houston and have lunch with this guy, and talk to him.” Nobody has come! Now remember, because I’m just going to ask, when I stop understanding what you’re talking about, I will ask. So I sincerely want to know. I would like to believe it. But I just can’t.

Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom.

I was in Israel not too long ago, talking with a bio-engineer, and [he was] describing to me the ear, and he was studying the different changes in the modulus of the ear, and I said, “How does this come about?” And he says, “Oh, Jim, you know, we all believe in evolution, but we have no idea how it happened.” Now there’s a good Jewish professor for you. I mean, that’s what it is. So that’s where I am. Have I answered the question?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZrxTH-UUdI

(Transcript courtesy of UNcommon Descent 52:00 - 56:44)

http://www.jmtour.com/

Oh dear, dears, the sand does seem to be shrinking beneath your feet!

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11-03-2014, 03:28 PM
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Yo Miss lets debate.
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11-03-2014, 03:30 PM
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Ok here it goes....
Shoo fly!


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11-03-2014, 03:32 PM
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Okay, you don't understand evolution... Fair enough.

The idea that life evolved has been around a lot longer than Darwin. What Darwin did was to propose a mechanism by which species could change over time... Called "natural selection". It has been confirmed through the scientific method.

Some of the fine details of natural selection are still being discovered, and other natural processes have since been discovered that also drive evolution.

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11-03-2014, 03:34 PM
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(11-03-2014 03:32 PM)Paranoidsam Wrote:  It has been confirmed through the scientific method.

You do not know this Paranoidsam. You are simply asserting your belief in a THEORY already shown to be shaky, unreliable and very, very vague.

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11-03-2014, 03:35 PM
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Baaahahahahahahahahaha
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11-03-2014, 03:38 PM
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(11-03-2014 03:34 PM)Miss Meng Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 03:32 PM)Paranoidsam Wrote:  It has been confirmed through the scientific method.

You do not know this Paranoidsam. You are simply asserting your belief in a THEORY already shown to be shaky, unreliable and very, very vague.

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I've got it, it's Ken Ham. "Historical science" right Meng?

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11-03-2014, 03:39 PM
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Waitaminnit. The sand beneath our feet is shrinking because of the hearsay of Dr. Tour a known ID supporter?

In that case, I know a bunch of pastors who say that God does not really exist.
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11-03-2014, 03:39 PM
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(11-03-2014 03:38 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 03:34 PM)Miss Meng Wrote:  You do not know this Paranoidsam. You are simply asserting your belief in a THEORY already shown to be shaky, unreliable and very, very vague.

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I've got it, it's Ken Ham. "Historical science" right Meng?

Yes, WillHopp.

Do you despute the facts, WillHopp?

God bless you, Willhopp.

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11-03-2014, 03:44 PM
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