The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
24-01-2015, 12:04 PM
RE: The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
I want you to stick to your point. You ask people how these beliefs have shaped society, it's not really relevant that you don't like the negative impact and want to justify them by arguing for what you think are positives.

If you want people to agree with your premise that good things have come from religious "morals", you'll probably need to find some religious sheep to agree with you on another site.

Being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets
-Rick
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like TheBeardedDude's post
24-01-2015, 12:04 PM
RE: The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
(24-01-2015 07:48 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  But the component that connected him to his oppressors wasn't the fact that they are composed of the same parts, pieced together and called human.

It's once they became a part of a shared religion, that they were able to do this.
I disagree.
Being of the same species we share similar emotions, feelings of pain, understanding of love and loss. We can empathise much more with other humans rather than other animals or plants.

Also, we can see that not only can we ourselves form a group (a tribe) and take slaves, but other humans can form a bigger group and take us as slaves. If our tribe is 40% bigger than tribe B and 35% bigger than tribe C we can conquer these tribes and make slaves of them, but if they are smart, they form an unholy alliance and then united they are bigger than us, they conquer us, we become the slaves. Now we are keen to see humans treat as something that ought not be put into slavery.

Also, since we are of the same species, we can breed. We have physical attraction for some people in the slave race. Our offspring become half us, half slave race. This sets us up for much confusion and torment.

Really, its not hard to see why slavery when by the way side. Especially as our tribes became bigger, with improved transport and trade, societies started included may peoples from different races/cultures/religions etc. Diversity and lack of race specific boundaries caused societies to rework their foundational principles.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
25-01-2015, 08:54 AM
The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
Where did our bastion of morality go?

Being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets
-Rick
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
26-01-2015, 06:09 PM
RE: The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
I guess our moral compass has abandoned us....

Being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets
-Rick
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
26-01-2015, 06:16 PM
RE: The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
(26-01-2015 06:09 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I guess our moral compass has abandoned us....

He ducked inside your DNA. You just weren't aware of it. He's ........ *intrinsic*. Snort.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Bucky Ball's post
26-01-2015, 06:31 PM
RE: The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
He normally just comes and goes at random moments. In a manner of the next few weeks he'll return, or maybe he won't and he'll come back after a month and create a new thread making the same conclusions just like this was to previous threads he was talking in.

"Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes ClydeLee's post
26-01-2015, 08:02 PM
The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
(26-01-2015 06:31 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  He normally just comes and goes at random moments. In a manner of the next few weeks he'll return, or maybe he won't and he'll come back after a month and create a new thread making the same conclusions just like this was to previous threads he was talking in.

Typical theist bullshit.

He sounds like Theophilus

Being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets
-Rick
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
31-01-2015, 08:32 AM
RE: The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
(24-01-2015 11:59 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  But you're not even playing your own game anymore. You asked how these beliefs in "objective moral codes" have shaped society. I gave you an answer and you've tried to dismiss it with "but some religious people didn't support that stuff" which is fair, but they opposed the religious views and the popular opinion at the time. That's because morality is subjective. It changes over time.

No, that was not my response. My response was one that religious beliefs connected both the slave and slave owners, to a belief in higher principles binding on both parties. Creating a dynamic, which would be absent if this was not present.

Something that many slave owners were aware of, an aspect highlighted in my previous post, where slaveowners weren't particularly keen on converting slaves to Christianity, which would have gave them a capacity to pass moral judgements on them.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
31-01-2015, 09:03 AM
RE: The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
(24-01-2015 12:04 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I disagree.
Being of the same species we share similar emotions, feelings of pain, understanding of love and loss. We can empathise much more with other humans rather than other animals or plants.

Quote:Except of course when they don't:

"According to a study conducted by Northeastern University sociology professors Jack Levin and Arnold Arluke, people feel more empathy towards a hurt, or battered dog, than they do for an adult human. The study also showed that people have the same amount of empathy for a puppy—compared to an older dog—as they do for an infant in cases where harm may have been inflicted. “We kind of hypothesized that age would make a big difference, and it did,” said Levin."

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/...in-arluke/

People also tend to empathize more with those like them, whites tend to empathize more with whites than non-whites, etc... Americans tend to empathize more with the lives of other Americans, than the lives of Iraqis, of Afghanistanis.

Quote:Also, we can see that not only can we ourselves form a group (a tribe) and take slaves, but other humans can form a bigger group and take us as slaves. If our tribe is 40% bigger than tribe B and 35% bigger than tribe C we can conquer these tribes and make slaves of them, but if they are smart, they form an unholy alliance and then united they are bigger than us, they conquer us, we become the slaves. Now we are keen to see humans treat as something that ought not be put into slavery.

Slavery has gone on for a very long time, with very few successful slave rebellions, particularly when the slaves have been exported from other regions. The Nat Turner rebellion wasn't a very smart move for slaves. Nearly four times as many black lives, for every one white life. To keep slaves from uniting, keep them divided, don't give them a common religion to unite them. If you're worried about a growing slave population then shrink them to manageable levels.


Quote:Also, since we are of the same species, we can breed. We have physical attraction for some people in the slave race. Our offspring become half us, half slave race. This sets us up for much confusion and torment.

Yes, and a series of angry white wives, all too displeased with our mistresses, and their illegitimate offspring. And rapists just succumb to the emotional torment brought along by the children of their victims. It would all be nice if love would come and conquer the day, but only religious nutbags believe that shit. And lucky for us moralists, that some of them had their sway.,

Quote:Especially as our tribes became bigger, with improved transport and trade, societies started included may peoples from different races/cultures/religions etc.

These are not "tribes", they are not even communities. All the deep rootedness of these earlier conditions are absent. We're just folks with a handful of similar interest, that keeps us on congenial terms, just like our relationship with China and Saudi Arabia, or Russia, or Walmart's relationship with its suppliers. To imagine this relationship to be one of a "tribe", or even meaningful "community", is epitome of naivety.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
31-01-2015, 09:12 AM
RE: The Religious Components of Moral Beliefs
(25-01-2015 08:54 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Where did our bastion of morality go?

Sorry, I have a variety of other commitments, like a wife, family, friends, and work, that keep my participation here sporadic at best.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply
Forum Jump: