The Resurrection
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12-01-2012, 10:06 AM
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RE: The Resurrection
(12-01-2012 09:59 AM)kingschosen Wrote:(12-01-2012 09:56 AM)germanyt Wrote: I shake my head every time I hear/read that 'the son needed a purpose' bit. God shouldn't 'need' anything. And there would be absolutly no purpose for him to have a son anyway. I'm pretty sure you are just making this stuff up KC. It's all made up. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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12-01-2012, 10:14 AM
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RE: The Resurrection
(12-01-2012 09:59 AM)kingschosen Wrote:(12-01-2012 09:56 AM)germanyt Wrote: I shake my head every time I hear/read that 'the son needed a purpose' bit. God shouldn't 'need' anything. And there would be absolutly no purpose for him to have a son anyway. I'm pretty sure you are just making this stuff up KC. Just seems odd to me. I don't understand why that was the purpose. Or why there even needed to be a purpose. Why create Earth just to condemn your creation and kill your son for a completely unnecessary purpose? It sounds to me like you just accepted some other person philisophical interpretation of the bible with no real explanation for it. Like a 'this is what I think and it sounds good to me' kind of explanation. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain |
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12-01-2012, 10:49 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-01-2012 11:12 AM by Azaraith.)
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RE: The Resurrection
(12-01-2012 04:40 AM)Jackrabbit Wrote: I have a question, if tomorrow somehow the god of the bible is proven 100% beyond doubt Considering his violent tendencdies and promise to burn me in hell forever, I'd probably have to if Christianity (all of the teachings) was proven true beyond a shadow of a doubt. That's not gonna happen though (I'd be less surprised to see Santa Claus slide down my chimney). (12-01-2012 09:32 AM)kingschosen Wrote:(12-01-2012 01:33 AM)Azaraith Wrote: Ok, one thing that I've been wondering about that somehow made sense to me as a Christian, but now... not so much. I guess this is really a question for KC or anyone else that cares to chime in. Ok, thanks. Still, not sure why death requires another death to attone for it... To be honest, I don't really think the Trinity concept can be understood, it never made a lick of sense to me. I always understood that God, Jesus and Holy Spirit were one entity, one being. Otherwise, Christianity isn't monotheistic. From there, such things as one form of God sacrificing another form of God to the original form of God didn't make sense. If I understand you though, they function as 3 (they are 3 beings in essence) but act in one accord - Jesus cannot rebel against God? How is that not polytheism though? Better without God, and happier too. |
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12-01-2012, 10:57 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-01-2012 11:53 AM by kingschosen.)
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RE: The Resurrection
(12-01-2012 10:14 AM)germanyt Wrote: Just seems odd to me. I don't understand why that was the purpose. Or why there even needed to be a purpose. Why create Earth just to condemn your creation and kill your son for a completely unnecessary purpose? It sounds to me like you just accepted some other person philisophical interpretation of the bible with no real explanation for it. Like a 'this is what I think and it sounds good to me' kind of explanation. Nah, I get that. I understand how it doesn't make sense. For me, though, since I believe, this is the most consistent theology presented that aligns with the Bible and what we know about God. There is always the element of faith that's involved. No matter how rational and coherent my explanations, there will always be a unexplainable sliver of faith involved that makes sense to the believer and befuddles the non-believer. (12-01-2012 10:49 AM)Azaraith Wrote: If I understand you though, they function as 3 (they are 3 beings in essence) but act in one accord - Jesus cannot rebel against God? How is that not polytheism though? Hmmm... Okay, have you reasoned things out in your head? Like thought about things, almost had a conversation with yourself? Your internal self is obviously yourself even though different thoughts are being relayed. Does this make you a multiple person? ![]() |
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12-01-2012, 12:17 PM
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RE: The Resurrection
(12-01-2012 09:32 AM)kingschosen Wrote:(12-01-2012 01:33 AM)Azaraith Wrote: Ok, one thing that I've been wondering about that somehow made sense to me as a Christian, but now... not so much. I guess this is really a question for KC or anyone else that cares to chime in. "3) In order for the Son to have a purpose, there needed to be imperfect beings with the His image implanted upon them. So, sin had to be placed upon humanity. However, sin creates death and can only be reconciled with another death. " ![]() This is serious nonsense. KC, doesn't this at all sound ridiculous and just plain weird to you? |
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12-01-2012, 12:24 PM
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RE: The Resurrection
(12-01-2012 12:17 PM)TalladegaTom Wrote: "3) In order for the Son to have a purpose, there needed to be imperfect beings with the His image implanted upon them. So, sin had to be placed upon humanity. However, sin creates death and can only be reconciled with another death. " As I told germanyt, it was a poor wording choice on my part. I should have said, "In order for His purpose to be fulfilled." And no, it makes perfect sense to me. ![]() |
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12-01-2012, 12:36 PM
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RE: The Resurrection
(12-01-2012 10:57 AM)kingschosen Wrote: Nah, I get that. I think that maybe you mold your faith into this because you are smart enough to know that evolution is real and the universe is billions of years old. You don't want to give up on your faith but you can't give up on science either. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain |
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12-01-2012, 12:44 PM
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RE: The Resurrection
(12-01-2012 12:24 PM)kingschosen Wrote:(12-01-2012 12:17 PM)TalladegaTom Wrote: "3) In order for the Son to have a purpose, there needed to be imperfect beings with the His image implanted upon them. So, sin had to be placed upon humanity. However, sin creates death and can only be reconciled with another death. " Seriously think that through. It truly makes no sense even with that wording. Consider all the other possible schemes that 'god' could have used, and you quickly see that this particular story was man made. Marvel Comics could have done better. No being capable of creating a universe such as we see today could possibly be so silly as to devise such an odd and cumbersome idea...that isn't even working I might add. It makes sense to you because you refuse to put some reasonable thought into it. |
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12-01-2012, 12:48 PM
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RE: The Resurrection
When I think of a question like this, I try to think of how and why the religion itself originated and what it originated from. Think about the Old Testament. Sacrifices of burnt flesh were common. Think about other religions. Sacrifice of flesh was also common, even human flesh. There were some cultures that believed a sacrifice must be made every morning before the sun will rise. A sacrifice was seen as some necessary offering of worldly goods to the god(s) who controls their world. The legend around Jesus' crucifixion would have came in to existence well after his death, but let's assume that it started immediately after his resurrection. The people at the time never questioned it and accepted it as true. Why? Offerings were seen as necessary in order to appease God. They used the sacrifice of Jesus as an excuse to never sacrifice anything else. The paradox of god sacrificing himself was apparently never an issue to them and even the writers obviously never considered it a problem. This is what we might call a blooper in today's terms but back then it was simply not an issue. A sacrifice was apparently needed to alleviate the sins from oneself. Jewish culture actually teaches that you can take all of your sin and put it in a chicken and then sacrifice the chicken, so why is the story of God sacrificing himself to himself any more absurd or difficult to reconcile? It was a story, a myth, a legend that was never intended to be questioned or viewed from a skeptical point of view.
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12-01-2012, 04:41 PM
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RE: The Resurrection
The trinity is a source for endless mental masturbation xD
"Yeah, good idea. Make them buy your invisible apple. Insist that they do. Market it properly and don't stop until they pay for it." -Malleus |
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