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31-05-2016, 08:05 AM
The Scientific Accuracy of the Bible
Here's some examples, can anyone possibly explain why they fail?

Blood is the source of Life

Quote:Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

The Earth is Spherical and Rotates

Quote:Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in..."

Luke 17:34-36 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

The Earth is free floating

Quote:Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

Geothermal vents at the Bottom of the Sea

Quote:Job 38:16 "Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?"
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31-05-2016, 08:13 AM
RE: The Scientific Accuracy of the Bible
(31-05-2016 08:05 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  Here's some examples, can anyone possibly explain why they fail?

Blood is the source of Life

Quote:Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

Not all living organisms have blood. DNA is the source of life.

Quote:The Earth is Spherical and Rotates

Quote:Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in..."

That very clearly says circular, not spherical.

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Quote:Luke 17:34-36 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

What does that have to do with anything?

Quote:The Earth is free floating

Quote:Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

Poetic but not descriptive. Since the ancients thought that the earth and heavens were all, then there would be nought else but nothing.

Quote:Geothermal vents at the Bottom of the Sea

Quote:Job 38:16 "Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?"

It doesn't say that. At all.

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31-05-2016, 08:53 AM
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"Blood is the source of Life"

Blood carries oxygen for some animals. It is no more the "source" for life in those animals than any vital organ (heart, lungs, stomach, brain, etc).

Plants are living and having nothing even comparable to blood. Nor do the single-celled organisms.

"The Earth is Spherical and Rotates"

The bible doesn't call the Earth spherical or say that it rotates. They believed the Earth to be a flat and round disc with a firmament above it.

The Earth is an oblate spheroid that rotates on its axis, and the axis itself also has an axis of rotation. And the whole solar system rotates and the galaxy is moving through space too.

"Geothermal vents at the Bottom of the Sea"

The verse you cite says nothing of geothermal vents at the bottom of the ocean, nor the massive ridges commonly associated with them or the fact that the Earth is composed of a series of discrete plates that are being pulled apart near these vents as the mantle of the Earth flows upwards creating new crust.

You'd think god might have mentioned these things, but it appears it's more likely that ignorant men wrote it using what was purported to be common knowledge of the time.

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31-05-2016, 09:24 AM
RE: The Scientific Accuracy of the Bible
(31-05-2016 08:05 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  Here's some examples, can anyone possibly explain why they fail?

Blood is the source of Life

Quote:Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

The Earth is Spherical and Rotates

Quote:Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in..."

Luke 17:34-36 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

The Earth is free floating

Quote:Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

Geothermal vents at the Bottom of the Sea

Quote:Job 38:16 "Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?"

One thing to note. The earth does not hangeth upon nothing. It holds it's position using gravity and gravity is not "nothing".

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31-05-2016, 11:06 AM
RE: The Scientific Accuracy of the Bible
(31-05-2016 08:05 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  Here's some examples, can anyone possibly explain why they fail?

Blood is the source of Life

Quote:Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

The Earth is Spherical and Rotates

Quote:Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in..."

Luke 17:34-36 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

The Earth is free floating

Quote:Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

Geothermal vents at the Bottom of the Sea

Quote:Job 38:16 "Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?"

I can give you a general reason why they all fail- all of these scriptures are interpreted to make them fit what we know scientifically, this is called hindsight bias

Know how biases work and what they are, this is the primary currency of the religious, it is the world of superstition.

This is how every so-called prophecy in the bible works, simply reinterpreting a scripture after the fact. There are also parts of the bible that were written after an event (The destruction of Jerusalem in the New Testament for example) that were portrayed as being written before the event.

This is where biblical lies wreak their insidious havoc on the gullible.

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31-05-2016, 01:41 PM
RE: The Scientific Accuracy of the Bible
The Bible can be used to demonstrate and help explain quite a number scientific theories.

For instance, if I had to design experiments using the Bible to explain science it would look something like this:

We could use it to explain physical dynamics such as gravity, acceleration and kinetic energy

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also vectors, momentum and friction,

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It can be used to help demonstrate the scientific idea of the conservation of energy and how energy can be transformed from solids into heat for instance

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It can even be used to demonstarte hand eye coordination

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So to answer your question the Bible, depending on who’s throwing it, can be very accurate when used in science experiments.


Wait, what? That wasn’t the question?

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31-05-2016, 01:53 PM
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Seeing science in Bible verses is like seeing WWII in Nostradamus. It requires hindsight and poetic license.

If there really were scientific statements in the bible, they wouldn't look like cryptic unsupported conclusions. They would look like a collection of data from which conclusions are drawn.

The closest the Bible gets to this are the "begats." They at least purport to collect data. Those passages are long and boring and most people don't bother with them, just like real science.
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31-05-2016, 02:01 PM
RE: The Scientific Accuracy of the Bible
(31-05-2016 01:53 PM)I Am Wrote:  Seeing science in Bible verses is like seeing WWII in Nostradamus. It requires hindsight and poetic license.

If there really were scientific statements in the bible, they wouldn't look like cryptic unsupported conclusions. They would look like a collection of data from which conclusions are drawn.

Agreed

(31-05-2016 01:53 PM)I Am Wrote:  The closest the Bible gets to this are the "begats." They at least purport to collect data. Those passages are long and boring and most people don't bother with them, just like real science.

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31-05-2016, 02:10 PM
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Blood is specifically NOT the "source" of life. Blood is what people thought was the source of life until the discovery of genetics. Blood is the source of oxygen for the brain and other tissues that require it (in aerobically respirating species), nutrients, and of the smallest part of the immune system.

The reason we say "related by blood" or "blood relatives" is because of this ancient, incorrect belief that blood represented life. It wasn't hard to observe that when you let the blood out of an animal, it died; ergo, they thought blood = life. However, they had no way to know about oxygen, let alone that it was transported via hemoglobin to our tissues, and that we passed out quickly and died with the loss of blood simply because our brains require it to function.

That misunderstanding about biology is the basis for many blood-religions, including ancient Judaism. It just happens to be dead wrong.

The other claims made above are just as scientifically inaccurate. Earth does not hang "on nothing", but moves (as Darwin put it) "cycling according to the fixed law of gravity".

As others already pointed out, the "springs of the sea" phrase does not describe geothermal vents, or anything close. In fact, if you look at the Noah story, it's clear that the ancient Hebrews believed that the earth floated on water, and that the vents/springs of the ocean could rise up and cause the earth to flood (in other words, it didn't only rain, according to the story). The Bible gets this dead wrong and only by twisting the words can you come to any possible conclusion that even approaches modern understanding of our world, which the ancients lacked.

If the Bible really was the inspired Word of the Creator Almighty, handed down to man, you would indeed expect to find accurate descriptions of scientific phenomena, despite the ignorance of ancient cultures. However, you find the opposite.

I'd like you to try an experiment. Look up the term "Lamarckian adaptation", to see what people used to think about how "blood" inheritance worked, prior to Mendel's discoveries about genetics. Once you're familiar with the claims of Lamarck (which actually go back to ancient times, long before he wrote them in systematic form), look up the passage about Laban's flocks in Genesis 30, and see that the writers of that story thought that Jacob gained his wealth-- upon which the dynasty that would become the nation of Israel, according to the writers, was built-- through Lamarckian adaptation.

The Bible not only gets science wrong, but it gets it SPECTACULARLY wrong... the only thing it does is faithfully record the prejudice and ignorance of ancient peoples.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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31-05-2016, 02:24 PM
RE: The Scientific Accuracy of the Bible
(31-05-2016 08:05 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  Here's some examples, can anyone possibly explain why they fail?

Blood is the source of Life

Quote:Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

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(31-05-2016 08:05 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  The Earth is Spherical and Rotates

Quote:Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in..."

Luke 17:34-36 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

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(31-05-2016 08:05 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  The Earth is free floating

Quote:Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

It's also apparently sitting on pillars.

The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them. 1 Samuel 2:8[

Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble. Job 9:6

Geothermal vents at the Bottom of the Sea

Quote:Job 38:16 "Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?"
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Dose it say Geothermal Vents? I see springs.

The bible also say's there are door's that close the sea.

Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?[b] Job 38:8[/
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