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30-06-2014, 06:10 PM
RE: The Sky is Falling
Employers aren't required to offer health coverage, as far as I know, so placing limits on what kind of coverages they do offer would seem to be up to the individual company.

If employees don't like the benefits package they should seek employment elsewhere. Of all the companies I've worked for, only one offered benefits and I felt fortunate to have them.

If you have a job, over the counter contraception isn't expensive. If you don't have a job, there are free clinics that offer them.

If the government wants to offer contraception coverage to its citizens, then the government should do that. If they want to raise taxes on business to cover the cost, do that too.

This whole religious angle used by businesses is just stupid.

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30-06-2014, 06:46 PM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2014 09:33 AM by CleverUsername.)
RE: The Sky is Falling
(30-06-2014 12:00 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  It also says in Deuteronomy to be fruitful like a million and ten times, so there is that.

I ended up getting in a debate with my family on this birth control thing, and this came up, and I completely missed a painfully obvious point, and I will now post it so I feel slightly less stupid;

We've already got 7 billion of us. We've been fruitful already. Is there some kind of quota we're supposed to fill? What the hell does God need so many of us for? Are humans some kind of godly currency and God plans on turning in the planet for a Playstation Infinity?

Edit: If God needs so many of us so badly, maybe he should stop killing off so many babies and children.
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30-06-2014, 09:17 PM
RE: The Sky is Falling
I really can't believe this even made it to the SC in the first place. Exactly what business does an employer have in dictating what goes on between an employee and their doctor?
This is a ridiculous ruling, it opens so many doors for abuse.
The lying that will be happening to avoid insurance responsibilities by employers will be staggering, how can it be proved that one does not believe what they claim?
Fucking nitwits!
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01-07-2014, 12:29 AM
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Wow, I'm stunned and so disappointed in a Supreme Court ruling that uses women's issues to press the agenda of a political party that wants to slap a president--no wisdom here.

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01-07-2014, 02:27 AM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2014 02:31 AM by pablo.)
RE: The Sky is Falling
I've been thinking about this a little more.
Hypothetical:
Two employees of Mom & Pops Christian Bookstores Inc.
Employee #1 is Christian, employee #2 is not.
Both are covered under Obamacare.
#2 has a restriction on what she can receive from her insurance because she does not share the same religious beliefs as the bosses.
Meanwhile #1 has no restrictions on her insurance because she believes the same as the bosses.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems an awful lot like religious discrimination to me. Consider

I know, I know, they say that by paying for insurance that covers certain contraceptives it is the same as condoning birth control, or abortion (Plan B) which are against their beliefs because they know that their money is paying for it.

Does that mean that when a Catholic gives money to support the church on Sundays they're really saying they condone the clergy having sex with children?
They know it happens yet they still give them money to continue running the church.
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01-07-2014, 03:34 AM
RE: The Sky is Falling
(01-07-2014 02:27 AM)pablo628 Wrote:  I've been thinking about this a little more.
Hypothetical:
Two employees of Mom & Pops Christian Bookstores Inc.
Employee #1 is Christian, employee #2 is not.
Both are covered under Obamacare.
#2 has a restriction on what she can receive from her insurance because she does not share the same religious beliefs as the bosses.
Meanwhile #1 has no restrictions on her insurance because she believes the same as the bosses.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems an awful lot like religious discrimination to me. Consider

I know, I know, they say that by paying for insurance that covers certain contraceptives it is the same as condoning birth control, or abortion (Plan B) which are against their beliefs because they know that their money is paying for it.

Does that mean that when a Catholic gives money to support the church on Sundays they're really saying they condone the clergy having sex with children?
They know it happens yet they still give them money to continue running the church.

Considering it still pays for viagra and vasectomies they obviously don't mind birth control that much.
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01-07-2014, 03:37 AM
RE: The Sky is Falling
(01-07-2014 03:34 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 02:27 AM)pablo628 Wrote:  I've been thinking about this a little more.
Hypothetical:
Two employees of Mom & Pops Christian Bookstores Inc.
Employee #1 is Christian, employee #2 is not.
Both are covered under Obamacare.
#2 has a restriction on what she can receive from her insurance because she does not share the same religious beliefs as the bosses.
Meanwhile #1 has no restrictions on her insurance because she believes the same as the bosses.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems an awful lot like religious discrimination to me. Consider

I know, I know, they say that by paying for insurance that covers certain contraceptives it is the same as condoning birth control, or abortion (Plan B) which are against their beliefs because they know that their money is paying for it.

Does that mean that when a Catholic gives money to support the church on Sundays they're really saying they condone the clergy having sex with children?
They know it happens yet they still give them money to continue running the church.

Considering it still pays for viagra and vasectomies they obviously don't mind birth control that much.

Add sex discrimination to the list as well.
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01-07-2014, 08:03 AM
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Hypothetical #2:

Employee #2 becomes pregnant because she was not afforded birth control (can't take or use anything that is still allowed). Can she sue Mom and Pop for child support?


Hypothetical #3:

Mom and Pop are JWs. This ban is extended to blood transfusions. Employee #2 is hit by a bus and because she can't have a transfusion, dies. Can her next of kin sue Mom and Pop for wrongful death? Can Mom and Pop be charged with homicide/manslaughter?


RBG is right - this will open a huge can of worms.

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01-07-2014, 08:04 AM
RE: The Sky is Falling
(01-07-2014 03:37 AM)pablo628 Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 03:34 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  Considering it still pays for viagra and vasectomies they obviously don't mind birth control that much.

Add sex discrimination to the list as well.

Are you kidding? That's #1 on the list.

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01-07-2014, 09:22 AM
RE: The Sky is Falling
Never mind insurance. What I want to know is why those hypocrites aren't complaining about paying their employees? In the same way that insurance might be used to pay for certain contraceptives, cash might be used to pay for them too.

There's no rationale thought behind this ruling whatsoever. Dodgy

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