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01-08-2017, 07:21 PM
The Special Counsel & Trump investigation
I think this is going to last a long time. Mueller, from what I read, is very meticulous. Today he hired the 16th person for the team, it reads as a Who’s Who of heavy hitting prosecutors.

Former Justice Department official joins Mueller team

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01-08-2017, 07:24 PM
RE: The Special Counsel & Trump investigation
(01-08-2017 07:21 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  I think this is going to last a long time. Mueller, from what I read, is very meticulous. Today he hired the 16th person for the team, it reads as a Who’s Who of heavy hitting prosecutors.

Former Justice Department official joins Mueller team

Robert Mueller special counsel investigation team

Robert Mueller hires star lawyers for team

Concentrating on finances.... maybe Thump will lose his guilded toilets in the end...

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01-08-2017, 07:30 PM
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These are very serious people looking into the legitimacy of the actions of a most unserious man. I still do not think appreciates how serious these people are. If they feel the very foundations of our system are being threatened, well that's Leavenworth serious.

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01-08-2017, 07:52 PM
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(01-08-2017 07:30 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  These are very serious people looking into the legitimacy of the actions of a most unserious man. I still do not think appreciates how serious these people are. If they feel the very foundations of our system are being threatened, well that's Leavenworth serious.

QFT

The CVs of these very serious people, as you say, would have me quaking in my boots if I was being investigated. The thing is I don’t think Trumpo realizes this or, if he does, he thinks he can pardon himself.

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01-08-2017, 07:53 PM
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(01-08-2017 07:24 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(01-08-2017 07:21 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  I think this is going to last a long time. Mueller, from what I read, is very meticulous. Today he hired the 16th person for the team, it reads as a Who’s Who of heavy hitting prosecutors.

Former Justice Department official joins Mueller team

Robert Mueller special counsel investigation team

Robert Mueller hires star lawyers for team

Concentrating on finances.... maybe Thump will lose his guilded toilets in the end...

He’ll be shitting on stainless steel, seatless toilets when it’s all said and done.

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02-08-2017, 06:19 AM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2017 06:23 AM by Thoreauvian.)
RE: The Special Counsel & Trump investigation
(01-08-2017 07:21 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  I think this is going to last a long time. Mueller, from what I read, is very meticulous. Today he hired the 16th person for the team, it reads as a Who’s Who of heavy hitting prosecutors.

The spin we hear from the right is that Mueller has found nothing because we've heard nothing from him, but in fact he may simply be playing his cards very close to his chest until he's completed the full investigation. That is to say, he's proceeding in a very professional manner.
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02-08-2017, 06:28 AM
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Hope Mueller's got security. Can imagine if say I was Putin and thought it'd create more strife, that a hit on Mueller would be rather fun.

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02-08-2017, 06:43 AM
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I wonder which Trump child is in charge of the escape plan. Somebody's got to be channeling funds to the offshore accounts, making sure the hidey hole in whatever extradition-proof zone has spare sheets with a high thread counts, etc. I hope it's not Eric.

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02-08-2017, 09:11 AM
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(02-08-2017 06:19 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  
(01-08-2017 07:21 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  I think this is going to last a long time. Mueller, from what I read, is very meticulous. Today he hired the 16th person for the team, it reads as a Who’s Who of heavy hitting prosecutors.

The spin we hear from the right is that Mueller has found nothing because we've heard nothing from him, but in fact he may simply be playing his cards very close to his chest until he's completed the full investigation. That is to say, he's proceeding in a very professional manner.

I agree, he'll present his findings only when he thinks the investigation is complete. At that time it'll be too late for those being investigated to hide evidence.

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03-08-2017, 01:56 PM
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Wall Street Journal: Special Counsel Mueller Impanels Grand Jury in Washington D.C.

Quote:Special Counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in Washington to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections, a sign that his inquiry is growing in intensity and entering a new phase, according to people familiar with the matter.

The grand jury, which began its work in recent weeks, is a sign that Mr. Mueller’s inquiry is ramping up and that it will likely continue for months. Mr. Mueller is investigating Russia’s efforts to influence the 2016 election and whether President Donald Trump’s campaign or associates colluded with the Kremlin as part of that effort.

A spokesman for Mr. Mueller, Joshua Stueve, declined to comment. Moscow has denied seeking to influence the election, and Mr. Trump has vigorously disputed allegations of collusion. The president has called Mr. Mueller’s inquiry a “witch hunt.”

Ty Cobb, special counsel to the president, said he wasn’t aware that Mr. Mueller had started using a new grand jury. “Grand jury matters are typically secret,” Mr. Cobb said. “The White House favors anything that accelerates the conclusion of his work fairly.…The White House is committed to fully cooperating with Mr. Mueller.”

Before Mr. Mueller was tapped in May to be special counsel, federal prosecutors had been using at least one other grand jury, located in Alexandria, Va., to assist in their criminal investigation of Michael Flynn, a former national security adviser. That probe, which has been taken over by Mr. Mueller’s team, focuses on Mr. Flynn’s work in the private sector on behalf of foreign interests.

Grand juries are powerful investigative tools that allow prosecutors to subpoena documents, put witnesses under oath and seek indictments, if there is evidence of a crime. Legal experts said that the decision by Mr. Mueller to impanel a grand jury suggests he believes he will need to subpoena records and take testimony from witnesses.

A grand jury in Washington is also more convenient for Mr. Mueller and his 16 attorneys—they work just a few blocks from the U.S. federal courthouse where grand juries meet—than one that is 10 traffic-clogged miles away in Virginia.

“This is yet a further sign that there is a long-term, large-scale series of prosecutions being contemplated and being pursued by the special counsel,” said Stephen I. Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas. “If there was already a grand jury in Alexandria looking at Flynn, there would be no need to reinvent the wheel for the same guy. This suggests that the investigation is bigger and wider than Flynn, perhaps substantially so.”

Thomas Zeno, a federal prosecutor for 29 years before becoming a lawyer at the Squire Patton Boggs law firm, said the grand jury is “confirmation that this is a very vigorous investigation going on.”

“This doesn’t mean he is going to bring charges,” Mr. Zeno cautioned. “But it shows he is very serious. He wouldn’t do this if it were winding down.”

Another sign the investigation is ramping up: Greg Andres, a top partner in a powerhouse New York law firm, Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP, has joined Mr. Mueller’s team.

Mr. Andres, a former top Justice Department official who also oversaw the criminal division of the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, wouldn’t leave his private-sector job for a low-level investigation, Mr. Zeno said.

“People like Greg Andres don’t leave private practice willy-nilly,” Mr. Zeno said. “The fact he is being added after couple of months shows how serious this is and that it could last a long time.”

Mr. Andres couldn't be reached for comment.

The developments unfolded amid a new sign of concern by Congress that Mr. Mueller’s independence needs to be protected. Sens. Thom Tillis (R., N.C.) and Chris Coons (D., Del.) introduced legislation Thursday making it harder for Mr. Trump to fire Mr. Mueller. Under the legislation, a special counsel could challenge his or her removal, with a three-judge panel ruling within 14 days on whether the firing was justified.

If the panel found no good cause for the firing, the special counsel would immediately be reinstated. The legislation follows a similar effort from Sens. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) and Cory Booker (D., N.J.)

“The introduction of two bills with two different bipartisan pairs strengthens the message that there is broad concern about this,” said Mr. Coons, who said that Mr. Tillis approached him on the Senate floor about teaming up on legislation.

According to a January report from the U.S. intelligence community, the highest levels of the Russian government were involved in directing the electoral interference. Its tactics included hacking state election systems; infiltrating and leaking information from party committees and political strategists; and disseminating through social media and other outlets negative stories about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and positive ones about Mr. Trump, the report said.

It is unclear how long Mr. Mueller’s investigation will last, and there is no deadline for its completion. The probe is complicated by the classified nature of much of the information Mr. Mueller’s team is reviewing. Evidence of its sensitivity came in June when Mr. Mueller moved from his temporary offices to a nearby secure facility that his representatives have declined to identify.

While working closely with Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, Mr. Mueller has assembled a team of accomplished prosecutors and lawyers specializing in criminal and national security law. Twelve attorneys are on temporary assignment to the special counsel’s office from the Justice Department or FBI, and three came from Mr. Mueller’s firm of WilmerHale. Mr. Andres is the most recent addition.

Mr. Trump has questioned the neutrality of Mr. Mueller’s office, telling Fox News he is concerned that Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors are “Hillary Clinton supporters” and that Messrs. Mueller and Comey are friends. Mr. Comey was a top Justice official in the George W. Bush administration when Mr. Mueller was the FBI director; both are Republicans.

Those who know both men said they aren’t social friends, though they respect each other and had a solid relationship in government.

At least eight members of Mr. Mueller’s team have given to Democratic candidates, including the presidential campaigns of Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, according to Federal Election Commission records. At least one—James Quarles, a member of the Watergate Special Prosecution Force—has donated to politicians in both parties.

Mr. Andres in March supported a Democratic lawmaker, donating $2,700 to Kirsten Gillibrand, a U.S. senator representing New York, according federal campaign disclosure records.

Mr. Mueller made two contributions in 1996 to Republican William Weld, then a candidate for a U.S. senate seat in Massachusetts, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in politics.

—Siobhan Hughes and Rebecca Ballhaus contributed to this article.

Write to Del Quentin Wilber at del.wilber@wsj.com and Byron Tau at byron.tau@wsj.com

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