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26-06-2012, 12:53 PM
The TOP 5 places to be a MOM
Funny the top 5 places to be a mom are all socialist country's. The United States is 25Th. on the list. So much for the free market being the best way for everyone. It's about time America wakes up to the fact that we are NOT the best country in the world.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/06...-for-moms/

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26-06-2012, 01:06 PM
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It's about time Americans stopped associating socialism with a tyrannically big government. If people would only study political theory we would be left with nothing but two groups, socialists and admittedly greedy assholes.

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26-06-2012, 01:20 PM
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Socialism isn't bad, no, but neither is right-leaning progressivism.
@HDT, the problum with U.S. right now is that the political system is so influenced by money, greed and special interest that absolutely no political system can be applied properly.
The biggest principles behind right-wing is smaller governments, which isn't bad per se! Do you really need state houses, legislatures and gouvernours? Do you really need an electoral college? Do you really need state departments for everything while a federal department can handle it all?

No, and if you get rid of most of those (and shrink the armed forces to defensive only) you have more than enough money to give a new mom a year of maternity leave and give both mother and the new child (see, at least a little on topic) free medical care for life, feed and house the homeless, welfare for all the unemployed etc. etc. etc.

Even a (low) flat tax rate with not too many deductions and exclusions can help.

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26-06-2012, 01:28 PM
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(26-06-2012 01:20 PM)Caveman Wrote:  Socialism isn't bad, no, but neither is right-leaning progressivism.
@HDT, the problum with U.S. right now is that the political system is so influenced by money, greed and special interest that absolutely no political system can be applied properly.
The biggest principles behind right-wing is smaller governments, which isn't bad per se! Do you really need state houses, legislatures and gouvernours? Do you really need an electoral college? Do you really need state departments for everything while a federal department can handle it all?

No, and if you get rid of most of those (and shrink the armed forces to defensive only) you have more than enough money to give a new mom a year of maternity leave and give both mother and the new child (see, at least a little on topic) free medical care for life, feed and house the homeless, welfare for all the unemployed etc. etc. etc.

Even a (low) flat tax rate with not too many deductions and exclusions can help.
A flat tax would only hurt the poor. The rest I agree with. I also think cutting out the loop holes in the tax codes would fix the whole thing.

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26-06-2012, 01:34 PM
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I just saw this story on CNN and was thinking of posting it myself. Good job sharing it! Thumbsup

It does indeed show the US isn't as well off as we like to think we are. No

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26-06-2012, 07:59 PM
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(26-06-2012 01:20 PM)Caveman Wrote:  Socialism isn't bad, no, but neither is right-leaning progressivism.
@HDT, the problum with U.S. right now is that the political system is so influenced by money, greed and special interest that absolutely no political system can be applied properly.
The biggest principles behind right-wing is smaller governments, which isn't bad per se! Do you really need state houses, legislatures and gouvernours? Do you really need an electoral college? Do you really need state departments for everything while a federal department can handle it all?

No, and if you get rid of most of those (and shrink the armed forces to defensive only) you have more than enough money to give a new mom a year of maternity leave and give both mother and the new child (see, at least a little on topic) free medical care for life, feed and house the homeless, welfare for all the unemployed etc. etc. etc.

Even a (low) flat tax rate with not too many deductions and exclusions can help.
I see what you are saying. My main point was solely that socialism in and of itself does not imply a large overreaching government and so many well meaning big "L" Libertarians disregard many facets of socialism because of what they see as an enlarged state. We Americans tend to magnify our political spectrum and lose sight of the spectrum as a whole. We have a very skewed view of politics I guess is what I mean.

I do not agree that a flat tax would help. That would be disastrous for the poorest of citizens. I strongly agree, however, to your idea of shrinking the military and freeing up funds for social programs.

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26-06-2012, 09:18 PM
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(26-06-2012 12:53 PM)N.E.OhioAtheist Wrote:  Funny the top 5 places to be a mom are all socialist country's. The United States is 25Th. on the list. So much for the free market being the best way for everyone. It's about time America wakes up to the fact that we are NOT the best country in the world.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/06...-for-moms/
I agree, you guys need to catch up with the rest of the world and wake up to that fact that you're not the best country in the world.
The Scandinavian countries are (plus they have very attractive people). (funny, I wrote that and then I read the article. Totally called that shit. +1 interwebz cookie for me)

I wonder how far up that list New Zealand is. We have a lot of socialist reforms to do with all this shit.

And yea, socialism isn't bad, just depends (IMO) in what it relates too. ie: I think there should be government provided heathcare, education and other services like free preschool or whatever, things that helps moms and/or families. Free child care for moms with like 2-4year olds so Moms can work, that sort of thing.
Where I hate the idea of socialist ideas is in the economy. Merchandise/Goods companies, services etc.. pretty much everything that doesn't revolve around family/health/education

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26-06-2012, 09:43 PM
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Strong minds and health make for a strong country. How a country takes care of its next generation is a reflection of how their future will be, in my opinion.
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26-06-2012, 09:54 PM
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(26-06-2012 09:43 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  Strong minds and health make for a strong country. How a country takes care of its next generation is a reflection of how their future will be, in my opinion.
plus it makes economical sense.
Higher educated people get higher paying jobs and thus pay more tax.

Or, healthier people use less healthcare (fat people, smokers, heavy drinkers). Or, it costs the country money if people are off work because they are not receiving adequate healthcare.

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04-07-2012, 04:19 PM
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this has to be wrong, what makes Portugal 15th?.. is it education? mm, i wonder how legit "Gross secondary education enrollment ratio: 107%" is... it cant be health care, its free, except for the €20 moderate tax in the emergency, and every consultation has a price to pay... um, child care? if there is vacancy, which leaves parents no choice but to leave them with nannies that have no experience in child education... economically, please! imagine a couple, both earning minimum wage, coming to a total of €960 (this is before 25% income tax). lets start chipping away...

-300/350 rent, €660. next, -€150 on groceries for the month, €510. next, -€150 on gasoline, does not include going out on week ends, €360. next, about -€100 on the basics for a 2 year old, €260. next the bills, -130, thats €130. and -€30 for things that may be consumed before the end of the month, €100. how about a luxury, mother at the hair dresser, -€30, and father is a smoker -€50.. that leaves this couple with a 2 year old with €30 of margin for the month... day care? not a chance! health care? lets hope not! post secondary? you wish. hell, just try to reach 12th grade without having to drop out cause your parents cant afford to buy your text books every year... (supposedly your not allowed to have a job without completing grade12)

socialism? man, i got to tell you, in Portugal everything is coming out of your pocket and aint shit for free! (even before all this crisis hype). education and health care are prime, no government no matter left right or center should treat it like a business and should always expect to lose money in those areas.
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