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10-12-2015, 06:39 AM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 06:13 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  I'm not sure why this is entitled "The Terrifying Result of Muslim Immigration in the UK".

It's basically about a very small number of nut-jobs who are failing to persuade anyone that they are anything other than nut-jobs.

Very small number could cause and often does cause a big damage. Its easy to speculate from our side of the view, but you also need to think what if that guy that was stabbed to death in the street was one of your family members, someone you loved, deeply cared about? You'd be speaking in a very different tone about them than?

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10-12-2015, 07:12 AM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 06:16 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Izel, is there freedom of speech in Turkey to say whatever you want?
This guy is fanatical, but he's allowed to say what he wants. And people are allowed to say what they want in response to him. So if he tries to make me wear a burqa, I have the freedom to tell him to fuck off. If he physically tries to force it on me, I have the right to kick him in the nuts. Sharia law is incompatible with the constitutions of the Western nations so there is zero chance of it ever happening.
Well, there are laws against hate speech in most of the European countries. You can`t go around saying whatever you want, especially if you are a public figure.
Promoting nazism or denying holocaust can land you in prison in Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_again...al#Germany
Quote: § 130 Incitement to hatred (1985, Revised 1992, 2002, 2005, 2015)[28][29]

(1) Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace:

incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them; or
assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population,

shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years.[28][29]

(...)

(3) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or downplays an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the kind indicated in section 6 (1) of the Code of International Criminal Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine.[28][29]

(4) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting disturbs the public peace in a manner that violates the dignity of the victims by approving of, glorifying, or justifying National Socialist rule of arbitrary force shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine.[28][29]


In fact there is several countries where holocaust denial a crime.

The countries that have laws making holocaust denial a crime are almost entirely those that were directly affected*: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania

I think that based on the same underlying principles promoting sharia law should be criminalized.

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10-12-2015, 07:16 AM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 06:26 AM)izel Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 06:16 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Izel, is there freedom of speech in Turkey to say whatever you want?
This guy is fanatical, but he's allowed to say what he wants. And people are allowed to say what they want in response to him. So if he tries to make me wear a burqa, I have the freedom to tell him to fuck off. If he physically tries to force it on me, I have the right to kick him in the nuts. Sharia law is incompatible with the constitutions of the Western nations so there is zero chance of it ever happening.

Yea but see how they kick that lady out of their area there? Why am I even reffering as their area, its a public street. She even says I'm poor, they tell her we don't care if you poor. They don't just say it, they enforcing it to people. Also see how they insulting the gay guy walking? There is a thin line between freedom of speech and a fucking asshole.

There are other assholes that harass the downtrodden that aren't religious. They are just bullies, and there are legal recourses to deal with people like this. Including pulling a gun if you have a carry permit and are physically threatened. As bemore mentioned, this lunatic's antics have landed him in jail. The same thing would happen to bemore if he went around trying to force women to wear bikinis in his "Ladies Only" zone. Laughat

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10-12-2015, 07:20 AM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 07:12 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 06:16 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Izel, is there freedom of speech in Turkey to say whatever you want?
This guy is fanatical, but he's allowed to say what he wants. And people are allowed to say what they want in response to him. So if he tries to make me wear a burqa, I have the freedom to tell him to fuck off. If he physically tries to force it on me, I have the right to kick him in the nuts. Sharia law is incompatible with the constitutions of the Western nations so there is zero chance of it ever happening.
Well, there are laws against hate speech in most of the European countries. You can`t go around saying whatever you want, especially if you are a public figure.
Promoting nazism or denying holocaust can land you in prison in Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_again...al#Germany
Quote: § 130 Incitement to hatred (1985, Revised 1992, 2002, 2005, 2015)[28][29]

(1) Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace:

incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them; or
assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population,

shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years.[28][29]

(...)

(3) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or downplays an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the kind indicated in section 6 (1) of the Code of International Criminal Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine.[28][29]

(4) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting disturbs the public peace in a manner that violates the dignity of the victims by approving of, glorifying, or justifying National Socialist rule of arbitrary force shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine.[28][29]


In fact there is several countries where holocaust denial a crime.

The countries that have laws making holocaust denial a crime are almost entirely those that were directly affected*: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania

I think that based on the same underlying principles promoting sharia law should be criminalized.

Then I shouldn't have said "Western nations." I was trying to be inclusive, but I should've gone with my original thought of the U.K. and the US and Canada. If hate speech could land you in jail, Trump would be there right now.

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10-12-2015, 07:34 AM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 07:20 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  If hate speech could land you in jail, Trump would be there right now.
Would you object to that? Just a little time in jail, few weeks?
He would emerge as a better person, even if his walk might get a little funny. Big Grin

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10-12-2015, 08:03 AM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 06:13 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  I'm not sure why this is entitled "The Terrifying Result of Muslim Immigration in the UK".

It's basically about a very small number of nut-jobs who are failing to persuade anyone that they are anything other than nut-jobs.

i think Izel has a point in her title. Minority now yes. But recently, particularly this summer just gone, the doors were swung open and huge numbers of the Muslim population have poured into Europe mostly unchecked. Bare in mind most of these people who are predominantly young men will, once they have the correct status will bring there families over. They will not be a minority for long. Once they gain a political voice, which they will, there agendas will enter. Many will want to live peaceful productive lives but many will bring their Shiite/Sunni tribal crap with them and Europe will be the middle east. That is after all what we have and still are importing. Antisemitism will rise.

Islam is not compatible with democracy which ever way you look at it. For all of Christianity's sins, and I am fully aware it has many, it has, at least, been through a reformation and for the most part it is on a leash certainly here in Europe. The same cannot be said for Islam and I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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10-12-2015, 08:24 AM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 07:16 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 06:26 AM)izel Wrote:  Yea but see how they kick that lady out of their area there? Why am I even reffering as their area, its a public street. She even says I'm poor, they tell her we don't care if you poor. They don't just say it, they enforcing it to people. Also see how they insulting the gay guy walking? There is a thin line between freedom of speech and a fucking asshole.

There are other assholes that harass the downtrodden that aren't religious. They are just bullies, and there are legal recourses to deal with people like this. Including pulling a gun if you have a carry permit and are physically threatened. As bemore mentioned, this lunatic's antics have landed him in jail. The same thing would happen to bemore if he went around trying to force women to wear bikinis in his "Ladies Only" zone. Laughat

Yea but, here is the thing Erx, I don't fear their numbers, I fear their ideology. It only took 2 people to kill 130 in Ankara 3 months ago. You get what I'm saying? And this is the kind of ideology that leads to mass chaos by very small number of crazies.

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10-12-2015, 03:02 PM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
Anjem Choudary has even been telling people not to vote, in a democratic country!
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10-12-2015, 03:51 PM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 03:02 PM)cmr211 Wrote:  Anjem Choudary has even been telling people not to vote, in a democratic country!

... because it goes against the teachings of Islam.

He stated at the start of the vid that he's a muslim who just happens to have been born on that particular island (GB).

In other words he declaring allegiance to one kind of social grouping over another ... a caliphate (a form of globalisation) over a state.

In other other words, he's rejecting Westphalia ...
1. The principle of the sovereignty of states and the fundamental right of political self determination
2. The principle of legal equality between states
3. The principle of non-intervention of one state in the internal affairs of another state

(09-12-2015 12:49 PM)epronovost Wrote:  ...
Have you ever considered that it's also their country?
...

Legally, yes. But he seems to have rejected the notion of 'country'.

His call, I guess.

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10-12-2015, 08:31 PM
RE: The Terrifying Results of Muslim Immigration in the UK
(10-12-2015 08:03 AM)Eva Wrote:  Islam is not compatible with democracy which ever way you look at it. For all of Christianity's sins, and I am fully aware it has many, it has, at least, been through a reformation and for the most part it is on a leash certainly here in Europe. The same cannot be said for Islam and I don't see it happening anytime soon.

The claim of Islam is that it is the last and final revelation, from God to humanity. So it's a pretty big claim to make, you don't need another book after Quran, you don't need anymore evidence, no more argument, it's all done for you. And now, if you have any difficulty with this, if you have any doubts about it, you are not allowed to express them. Because if you do, you are insulting us. Now imagine, 2 claims put together, one this is the final word, two, this is the final word you can not challenge. These 2 claims it's a butchery to freedom of speech, it is okay for them to publicly humiliate people in the street because the way they are dressed or their sexual preference, but how fucking dare you challenge Islam and its bull shit? Well fuck this shit... I have no respect to the religion, I despise Islam and everything about it. Not all the Muslims though, everyone I know, everyone I grew up with, everyone I love is a Muslim. But this fundamental Islam that I really can not, will not be okay with. There is no room for these people in the modern society.

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