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26-07-2012, 02:55 PM
RE: The Theology of God is an Asshole
So what?
Based on the information we have about this imaginary character,the most fitting description for him is that he is an oppressive,cruel and heartless dictator.
For example based on Star Wars we can characterize Darth Vader as an evil villain.

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26-07-2012, 04:25 PM
RE: The Theology of God is an Asshole
(26-07-2012 09:37 AM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  In my own personal study of the Scriptures, I myself came to the conclusion that God is in fact good (Granted, he exists).
It's not something I really wanted to believe, it's something I realized later on.
Care to elaborate? I'm interested in how you could possibly come to the conclusion of the god described in the Bible being a good one without being religiously deluded.

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26-07-2012, 04:32 PM
RE: The Theology of God is an Asshole
(26-07-2012 09:37 AM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  In my own personal study of the Scriptures, I myself came to the conclusion that God is in fact good (Granted, he exists).
It's not something I really wanted to believe, it's something I realized later on.

So yeah, it's possible for Theists to come to their own conclusions without the help of mommy, daddy or a bigot preacher.

What version of the Bible were you reading? Some comic book?

The God described in the Bible is a petty, selfish, tyrannical, genocidal, misogynistic horror.

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26-07-2012, 04:33 PM
RE: The Theology of God is an Asshole
(25-07-2012 07:07 PM)Ghost Wrote:  Hey, Starcrash.

I've noticed that you and I have had an inordinate number of disagreements lately. That's why I respect you so much for trying so hard to understand me here. Thank you. It means a lot to me. I think you came pretty damn close to what's on my mind.

I'm much obliged. I don't have an "us vs them" mentality, and I never presume that someone is right or wrong before I've heard the content of their message. I hope you never take it personally when I disagree with you, because I don't think less of people that don't agree with me... I just want to win them over with a good argument.

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26-07-2012, 04:43 PM
RE: The Theology of God is an Asshole
(25-07-2012 05:56 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(25-07-2012 05:44 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  ...it's still misdirected anger.

But its not the Bible writers they worship, its God. They Exhault God's character, and follow It's commands. ( which is in turn, the writers commands.) its the idea of God that makes people commit the genocide, etc.

It may be the idea of God, but it still isn't God. If I misled you to believe that you had to uproot your family and move because the FBI was after you, you might bestow anger upon the FBI for ruining your peaceful life... but I'd be the real cause of your misery.

God never told anyone to do anything, in the same way that your country's flag never commanded people to kill in its name. Commanders wearing a flag patch may tell people to pull the trigger, and patriotism may drive people to follow those orders, but the symbol of patriotism -- the flag -- has no "blood on its hands".

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26-07-2012, 06:16 PM
RE: The Theology of God is an Asshole
(26-07-2012 04:43 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  
(25-07-2012 05:56 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  But its not the Bible writers they worship, its God. They Exhault God's character, and follow It's commands. ( which is in turn, the writers commands.) its the idea of God that makes people commit the genocide, etc.

It may be the idea of God, but it still isn't God. If I misled you to believe that you had to uproot your family and move because the FBI was after you, you might bestow anger upon the FBI for ruining your peaceful life... but I'd be the real cause of your misery.

God never told anyone to do anything, in the same way that your country's flag never commanded people to kill in its name. Commanders wearing a flag patch may tell people to pull the trigger, and patriotism may drive people to follow those orders, but the symbol of patriotism -- the flag -- has no "blood on its hands".
Its not God I hate...Its the power that the idea has over people.

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26-07-2012, 08:28 PM (This post was last modified: 26-07-2012 08:33 PM by ideasonscribe.)
RE: The Theology of God is an Asshole
(26-07-2012 01:57 PM)Dom Wrote:  And just what is it that you see as good about a god who orders slaughter of thousands and thousands of men, women and children? Drowns them on purpose? Approves of selling your daughters into slavery? Approves of slavery in general? Tricks "his children" into becoming mortals by creating a snake that speaks and an apple that is sin? Blames every human born thereafter for it and curses them with the "mortal sin"? Creates the plague, cancer, tsunamis, hurricanes and what have you?

znk666 Wrote:So what?
Based on the information we have about this imaginary character,the most fitting description for him is that he is an oppressive,cruel and heartless dictator.
For example based on Star Wars we can characterize Darth Vader as an evil villain.

Chas Wrote:What version of the Bible were you reading? Some comic book?

The God described in the Bible is a petty, selfish, tyrannical, genocidal, misogynistic horror.

Vosur Wrote:I'm interested in how you could possibly come to the conclusion of the god described in the Bible being a good one without being religiously deluded.

This hostile theme crap seems to be the tone of the average Atheist and, maybe that's the "cool" Atheist thing to do nowadays, but it really just overwhelms me.

This is the dialogue I am afraid of in my next skype meeting No

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26-07-2012, 08:35 PM
RE: The Theology of God is an Asshole
(26-07-2012 08:28 PM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  
(26-07-2012 01:57 PM)Dom Wrote:  And just what is it that you see as good about a god who orders slaughter of thousands and thousands of men, women and children? Drowns them on purpose? Approves of selling your daughters into slavery? Approves of slavery in general? Tricks "his children" into becoming mortals by creating a snake that speaks and an apple that is sin? Blames every human born thereafter for it and curses them with the "mortal sin"? Creates the plague, cancer, tsunamis, hurricanes and what have you?

znk666 Wrote:So what?
Based on the information we have about this imaginary character,the most fitting description for him is that he is an oppressive,cruel and heartless dictator.
For example based on Star Wars we can characterize Darth Vader as an evil villain.

Chas Wrote:What version of the Bible were you reading? Some comic book?

The God described in the Bible is a petty, selfish, tyrannical, genocidal, misogynistic horror.

This hostile theme crap seems to be the tone of the average Atheist and, maybe that's the "cool" Atheist thing to do nowadays, but it really just overwhelms me.

This is the dialogue I am afraid of in my next skype meeting No

Its the fact that when you read the OLD TESTAMENT God seems like quite a dick, hardening Pharoh's heart( which made things harder for his people and Moses) and killing thousands of other people of different beliefs....

Also, keeping the women who were virgins for unknown reasons.Dodgy

Its a trial to some of us, how you could justify that, and then square the circle to God is good.

Its plainly obvious that God( Obvious for those who read the bible.)is not good, and to hear a person who worships the thing, and is suppossed to know better than us, say such things, is kind of frustrating to us

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26-07-2012, 08:35 PM
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(26-07-2012 08:28 PM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  
(26-07-2012 01:57 PM)Dom Wrote:  And just what is it that you see as good about a god who orders slaughter of thousands and thousands of men, women and children? Drowns them on purpose? Approves of selling your daughters into slavery? Approves of slavery in general? Tricks "his children" into becoming mortals by creating a snake that speaks and an apple that is sin? Blames every human born thereafter for it and curses them with the "mortal sin"? Creates the plague, cancer, tsunamis, hurricanes and what have you?

znk666 Wrote:So what?
Based on the information we have about this imaginary character,the most fitting description for him is that he is an oppressive,cruel and heartless dictator.
For example based on Star Wars we can characterize Darth Vader as an evil villain.

Chas Wrote:What version of the Bible were you reading? Some comic book?

The God described in the Bible is a petty, selfish, tyrannical, genocidal, misogynistic horror.

This hostile theme crap seems to be the tone of the average Atheist and, maybe that's the "cool" Atheist thing to do nowadays, but it really just overwhelms me.

This is the dialogue I am afraid of in my next skype meeting No

What parts of the Bible have you read? We don't make this up, or say it to be 'cool'. Just read the freakin' Bible and see for yourself that God commands genocide, commands murder.

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26-07-2012, 08:42 PM
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(26-07-2012 08:28 PM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  
(26-07-2012 01:57 PM)Dom Wrote:  And just what is it that you see as good about a god who orders slaughter of thousands and thousands of men, women and children? Drowns them on purpose? Approves of selling your daughters into slavery? Approves of slavery in general? Tricks "his children" into becoming mortals by creating a snake that speaks and an apple that is sin? Blames every human born thereafter for it and curses them with the "mortal sin"? Creates the plague, cancer, tsunamis, hurricanes and what have you?

znk666 Wrote:So what?
Based on the information we have about this imaginary character,the most fitting description for him is that he is an oppressive,cruel and heartless dictator.
For example based on Star Wars we can characterize Darth Vader as an evil villain.

Chas Wrote:What version of the Bible were you reading? Some comic book?

The God described in the Bible is a petty, selfish, tyrannical, genocidal, misogynistic horror.

Vosur Wrote:I'm interested in how you could possibly come to the conclusion of the god described in the Bible being a good one without being religiously deluded.

This hostile theme crap seems to be the tone of the average Atheist and, maybe that's the "cool" Atheist thing to do nowadays, but it really just overwhelms me.

This is the dialogue I am afraid of in my next skype meeting No

No need to feel overwhelmed. We'll hear you out.

How do you read the stories in the Old Testament and rules in the New Testament? When God gets angry and destroys the earth, or a family, or a nation, or calling for the deaths of women and children, or asking a man to kill his son, or killing his very own son, or killing over 3/4 of the total amount of people who have or who will have ever lived and then torturing them for eternity because they never even heard of Jesus or needed clear evidence to believe?

In what way should we be looking at these events so that we can join you in thinking that if God exists he therefore must be good?

It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness Laugh out load
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