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19-10-2014, 09:37 PM
RE: The Third Jihad
(19-10-2014 05:14 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  That is my suggestion anyway, and wanting to protect my culture doesn't make me a Nazi or a racist. As I have said before, I don't want anyone to be hurt, only deported.

Except it does make you a bigoted advocated for oppression when you wish to protect your culture via forced imposition of inequality on an ENTIRE group of people simply because some who go by the label are dangers to society at large.

What someone needs to enlighten Res to is the fact that unless he is 100% Native American, then his reasoning would have his own ass kicked out of Canada by those who got there before he did. Glass houses and all that... Dodgy

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23-10-2014, 08:39 PM
RE: The Third Jihad
(18-10-2014 11:42 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  Through Western, national and Republican values. By not allowing an other Moslem into Europe and through valuing our heritage and identity. By dissolving the EU and establishing a Europe based upon the friendship of independent republican nations. By adopting an assimilationist policy for immigrants already in Europe. Through deporting all criminal, unemployed, unassimilated and welfare immigrants. By sending a strong message that we, the mighty West, won't take any more shit. By valuing ourselves rather than hating ourselves. This is how Europe can be saved.


Through German, national and Nazi values. By not allowing another Jew into Europe and through valuing our Aryan heritage and identity. By dissolving the League of Nations and establishing a Europe based upon the 'friendship' of dependent nations. By adopting an assimilationist policy for immigrants already in Europe. Through putting into camps all criminal, unemployed, unassimilated and welfare immigrants. By sending a strong message that we, the mighty Deutschland, won't take any more shit. By valuing ourselves more than hating ourselves. This is how the Ayran race can be saved.

Freakishly similar, no?



(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  America needs to elect leaders who will fight for her and stand up for her. Leaders who will stop Islamic immigration and put an end to Obama's pretending that terror attacks have nothing to do with Islam. To America's credit she has stood relatively strong, and showed this strength when she said no a Mosque overlooking the site of 9/11. She refused to allow magots to be planted in her body, and despite the left's whining she now stands strong.

Stood strong? The United States is weaker now than it has been in decades! We're stretched too thin, unable to adequately cope with the evolving situation on the ground. Our gun-ho leaders have created international precedents that makes us unable to do anything more than be vociferous hypocrites vis-a-vis Russia and the Ukraine. There is a huge gap between 'fundamentalist extreme religions contribute to terrorism' to 'therefore block all immigration from one particular religion'. It's painting with far too broad of a brush. Not only that, but crying 'terrorism' while the United States violates international law when we bomb our 'enemies' with drone strikes? It's hypocrisy on a global scale. The innocent people in Pakistan who never know when one of their weddings, relatives, or neighbors will be mistakenly blown to hell due to one of our drone-strikes? They live in perpetual fear, and that is terrorism. The only thing is, we just save the terrorism label for when the 'other' people do it; instead of applying the label equally and uniformly as we should. Because the United States employs terrorism, but we just call it 'shock and awe' and close our eyes to the terror we inflict.

Ignorance is bliss, especially when you're a 16 year old know-nothing living with your parents.



(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  I'm not sure Canada can be saved, but here is what I would do; end Moslem immigration completely, deport all criminal, unemployed, unassimilated and welfare immigrants, kill multiculturalism and become a republic with a constitution defining our national principles.

I'm not about to tell Canada how to do it's own thing, because I'm not Canadian. But if your summary here is on par with your assessment of the United States, I can only imagine just how ill-informed you are of your own country. Now considering that Canada's national pastime isn't bombing the shit out of brown people on the other side of the globe and owing a mountain of debt to China, they cannot be doing any worse than the United States.



(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  The West must also support an interventionist foreign policy and work with moderate and secularist groups in the Moslem world.

How well has that worked out for us for the last few decades? Almost all of the problems we're having in the Middle East can be laid at the feet of the royal fuck-ups that have been perpetuated there by the West's meddling. Everything from the fracturing and formation of nations out of former colony holdings not being drawn along ethnic or religious boundaries, to the CIA's overthrow of Iran's republic in favor of the Shah and his 'controllable' dictatorship, the creation of and unilateral support of the Jewish state of Israel, to the support of the Afghan rebels in their fight against the Russians which set the groundwork for the Taliban.

Our success rate with 'intervention' in this part of the world is almost non-existent.



(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  We should not hate them or separate ourselves from their nations. To the contrary, we must help them by encouraging open culture, freedom and republican nationalism among Middle Eastern peoples.

It's called 'Separate but Equal'. We're all the same, but you have to go be the same over there away from us. It is, of course, never equal. We learned this during the days of segregated school in the United States during the Jim Crow laws of the pre-Civil Rights movement. You could even argue that this very same disparity lead to the American Revolution itself, because while the colonists were British citizens, they lacked any representation in Parliament (the governing body that controlled, among other things, taxation on the colonies). They were supposedly equal to all other citizens of the Crown, but the reality was far from it.



(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  It is important that the West influence them, not the other way around. We must also support the work of artists and others who work against Islam.

Right, so you don't 'hate' them; other than doing everything you can to undermine their ethnic and religious heritage and identity. And why do you want to do this? Because otherwise they'll do it to you first... Facepalm



(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  Cartoons who draw Muhammad should be congratulated and assisted in spreading their message. When Moslem are exposed to anti-Islamic materials they will at first act with revulsion and violence, but if exposure continues they will see that we will not be intimidated by thuggishness.

No, the cartoonists should be protected, but the state has no business in advocating for or against any religion.



(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  We will keep criticizing Islam until they start joining in. We must support freedom in the Middle East, even if it antagonizes people. religious minorities (Christians, Yazidis, Zoroastrians, ect.) should be given support by the West to counterbalance Islam. Perhaps they can be persuaded into having their own enlightenment if we shove enough anti-Islamic material in their direction.

This will do nothing more than feed into the perception that the West is in a Crusade against the whole of Islam, and in doing so you could very possibly unite the splintered factions of Islam against you. That is a fight not worth having.



(18-10-2014 03:22 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  That is my suggestion anyway, and wanting to protect my culture doesn't make me a Nazi or a racist. As I have said before, I don't want anyone to be hurt, only deported.

It makes you a simple ideologue, and a nativist; which is discriminatory. The notion of 'separate but equal' that you are advocating is discriminatory. You are discriminating, but you're too stupid to see it. You think you can rationalize your prejudice away, but that doesn't make it go away, it just makes it easier for you to lie to yourself and not see your own bigotry. Yours is, unfortunately, just another in a long line of discrimination, ignorance, and fear; only this time it's Islam instead of the Chinese, Japanese, Germans, Austrians, Ukrainians, French, British, or Catholics.




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Nativism in Canada

Nativism was common in Canada (though the term originated in the U.S.). It took several forms. Hostility to the Chinese and other Asians was intense, and involved provincial laws that hindered immigration of Chinese and Japanese and blocked their economic mobility. In 1942 Japanese Canadians were forced into detention camps in response to Japanese aggression in World War II.

Throughout the 19th century, well into the 20th, the Orange Order in Canada attacked and tried to politically defeat the Irish Catholics. The Ku Klux Klan spread in the mid-1920s from the U.S. to parts of Canada, especially Saskatchewan, where it helped topple the Liberal government. The Klan creed was, historian Martin Robin argues, in the mainstream of Protestant Canadian sentiment, for it was based on "Protestantism, separation of Church and State, pure patriotism, restrictive and selective immigration, one national public school, one flag and one language--English."

In World War I, Canadian naturalized citizens of German or Austrian origins were stripped of their right to vote, and tens of thousands of Ukrainians (who were born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire) were rounded up and put in internment camps.

Hostility of native-born Canadians to competition from English immigrants in the early 20th century was expressed in signs that read, "No English Need Apply!" The resentment came because the immigrants identified more with England than with Canada. Still today, there are many Canadians with long Canadian heritages who have mixed feelings over recent immigration.

In the British Empire, traditions of anti-Catholicism in Britain led to fears that Catholics were a threat to the national (British) values. In Canada, the Orange Order (of Irish Protestants) campaigned vigorously against the Catholics throughout the 19th century, often with violent confrontations. Both sides were immigrants from Ireland and neither side claimed loyalty to Canada. The Orange Order was much less influential in the U.S., especially after a major riot in New York City in 1871.

Canada was wracked by conflicts between the Anglophones and Francophones over language; the Irish Catholics were on the same side as the Protestant nativists in opposing the expansion of French culture.

I honestly can't even tell if you are trolling anymore. Loved the part where you changed all the words around. You even replaced some with their antonyms.

Also, Islam is already fighting a crusade against us. We can either fight back or let ourselves be destroyed.

Now, EK's post; EKified!

No, the cartoonists should be killed, but the state has a lot of business in advocating for or against religion.

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23-10-2014, 09:22 PM
RE: The Third Jihad
(23-10-2014 08:39 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(18-10-2014 11:42 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Through German, national and Nazi values. By not allowing another Jew into Europe and through valuing our Aryan heritage and identity. By dissolving the League of Nations and establishing a Europe based upon the 'friendship' of dependent nations. By adopting an assimilationist policy for immigrants already in Europe. Through putting into camps all criminal, unemployed, unassimilated and welfare immigrants. By sending a strong message that we, the mighty Deutschland, won't take any more shit. By valuing ourselves more than hating ourselves. This is how the Ayran race can be saved.

Freakishly similar, no?




Stood strong? The United States is weaker now than it has been in decades! We're stretched too thin, unable to adequately cope with the evolving situation on the ground. Our gun-ho leaders have created international precedents that makes us unable to do anything more than be vociferous hypocrites vis-a-vis Russia and the Ukraine. There is a huge gap between 'fundamentalist extreme religions contribute to terrorism' to 'therefore block all immigration from one particular religion'. It's painting with far too broad of a brush. Not only that, but crying 'terrorism' while the United States violates international law when we bomb our 'enemies' with drone strikes? It's hypocrisy on a global scale. The innocent people in Pakistan who never know when one of their weddings, relatives, or neighbors will be mistakenly blown to hell due to one of our drone-strikes? They live in perpetual fear, and that is terrorism. The only thing is, we just save the terrorism label for when the 'other' people do it; instead of applying the label equally and uniformly as we should. Because the United States employs terrorism, but we just call it 'shock and awe' and close our eyes to the terror we inflict.

Ignorance is bliss, especially when you're a 16 year old know-nothing living with your parents.




I'm not about to tell Canada how to do it's own thing, because I'm not Canadian. But if your summary here is on par with your assessment of the United States, I can only imagine just how ill-informed you are of your own country. Now considering that Canada's national pastime isn't bombing the shit out of brown people on the other side of the globe and owing a mountain of debt to China, they cannot be doing any worse than the United States.




How well has that worked out for us for the last few decades? Almost all of the problems we're having in the Middle East can be laid at the feet of the royal fuck-ups that have been perpetuated there by the West's meddling. Everything from the fracturing and formation of nations out of former colony holdings not being drawn along ethnic or religious boundaries, to the CIA's overthrow of Iran's republic in favor of the Shah and his 'controllable' dictatorship, the creation of and unilateral support of the Jewish state of Israel, to the support of the Afghan rebels in their fight against the Russians which set the groundwork for the Taliban.

Our success rate with 'intervention' in this part of the world is almost non-existent.




It's called 'Separate but Equal'. We're all the same, but you have to go be the same over there away from us. It is, of course, never equal. We learned this during the days of segregated school in the United States during the Jim Crow laws of the pre-Civil Rights movement. You could even argue that this very same disparity lead to the American Revolution itself, because while the colonists were British citizens, they lacked any representation in Parliament (the governing body that controlled, among other things, taxation on the colonies). They were supposedly equal to all other citizens of the Crown, but the reality was far from it.




Right, so you don't 'hate' them; other than doing everything you can to undermine their ethnic and religious heritage and identity. And why do you want to do this? Because otherwise they'll do it to you first... Facepalm




No, the cartoonists should be protected, but the state has no business in advocating for or against any religion.




This will do nothing more than feed into the perception that the West is in a Crusade against the whole of Islam, and in doing so you could very possibly unite the splintered factions of Islam against you. That is a fight not worth having.




It makes you a simple ideologue, and a nativist; which is discriminatory. The notion of 'separate but equal' that you are advocating is discriminatory. You are discriminating, but you're too stupid to see it. You think you can rationalize your prejudice away, but that doesn't make it go away, it just makes it easier for you to lie to yourself and not see your own bigotry. Yours is, unfortunately, just another in a long line of discrimination, ignorance, and fear; only this time it's Islam instead of the Chinese, Japanese, Germans, Austrians, Ukrainians, French, British, or Catholics.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_(p..._in_Canada

Nativism in Canada

Nativism was common in Canada (though the term originated in the U.S.). It took several forms. Hostility to the Chinese and other Asians was intense, and involved provincial laws that hindered immigration of Chinese and Japanese and blocked their economic mobility. In 1942 Japanese Canadians were forced into detention camps in response to Japanese aggression in World War II.

Throughout the 19th century, well into the 20th, the Orange Order in Canada attacked and tried to politically defeat the Irish Catholics. The Ku Klux Klan spread in the mid-1920s from the U.S. to parts of Canada, especially Saskatchewan, where it helped topple the Liberal government. The Klan creed was, historian Martin Robin argues, in the mainstream of Protestant Canadian sentiment, for it was based on "Protestantism, separation of Church and State, pure patriotism, restrictive and selective immigration, one national public school, one flag and one language--English."

In World War I, Canadian naturalized citizens of German or Austrian origins were stripped of their right to vote, and tens of thousands of Ukrainians (who were born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire) were rounded up and put in internment camps.

Hostility of native-born Canadians to competition from English immigrants in the early 20th century was expressed in signs that read, "No English Need Apply!" The resentment came because the immigrants identified more with England than with Canada. Still today, there are many Canadians with long Canadian heritages who have mixed feelings over recent immigration.

In the British Empire, traditions of anti-Catholicism in Britain led to fears that Catholics were a threat to the national (British) values. In Canada, the Orange Order (of Irish Protestants) campaigned vigorously against the Catholics throughout the 19th century, often with violent confrontations. Both sides were immigrants from Ireland and neither side claimed loyalty to Canada. The Orange Order was much less influential in the U.S., especially after a major riot in New York City in 1871.

Canada was wracked by conflicts between the Anglophones and Francophones over language; the Irish Catholics were on the same side as the Protestant nativists in opposing the expansion of French culture.

I honestly can't even tell if you are trolling anymore. Loved the part where you changed all the words around. You even replaced some with their antonyms.

Also, Islam is already fighting a crusade against us. We can either fight back or let ourselves be destroyed.

Now, EK's post; EKified!

No, the cartoonists should be killed, but the state has a lot of business in advocating for or against religion.

You speak just like a slave

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23-10-2014, 10:28 PM
RE: The Third Jihad
I fucking hate Islam. I hate it with a passion. I don't want to be all "Let's just get along and sing Kumbaya". There is no peaceful coexistence with this:

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Call me a biggot, I don't give a damn. I don't want this in my country, and I don't want it in Europe . I hate Islam more than I hate Westboro Baptist Church. I hate moderate Islam more than I hate fundamental Christianity. I have no desire to be surrounded by a bunch of vocally misogynist men and voiceless women. I have no desire to see the percentages of Muslims rise in Western nations.

It's a cancerous tumor that needs to be excised. I have no problems with stopping all Muslim immigration.

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23-10-2014, 11:05 PM
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(23-10-2014 10:28 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I fucking hate Islam. I hate it with a passion. I don't want to be all "Let's just get along and sing Kumbaya". There is no peaceful coexistence with this:

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[Image: 1315780550-muslim-extremists-noisy-prote...826791.jpg]

Call me a biggot, I don't give a damn. I don't want this in my country, and I don't want it in Europe . I hate Islam more than I hate Westboro Baptist Church. I hate moderate Islam more than I hate fundamental Christianity. I have no desire to be surrounded by a bunch of vocally misogynist men and voiceless women. I have no desire to see the percentages of Muslims rise in Western nations.

It's a cancerous tumor that needs to be excised. I have no problems with stopping all Muslim immigration.

Well you and the the american government Res agree on something. Look, not that I would like to see Islam go like Christianity there is no reason to say that you don't want Islam should not be aloud in america. Keep in mind there are different sects of Islam like any other religion. Also keep in mind Christianity would be doing the same thing, but we have it in "chains" now a days. Islam just needs to be put in chains like Christianity is, then it will be the same. If you think all Muslims are like that, then that is a gross over generalization. There is nothing wrong with Muslims or to be fair and to an extant Islam(if the person knows to keep control). I can understand the whole not wanting Islam extremism in a country(but what religious extremism do you want in any country) however moderate Muslims are good people, one of my great friends is Muslim, hell one of my favorite philosophers is a Muslim. Point is don't join the governments hate.

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24-10-2014, 11:07 AM
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(23-10-2014 10:28 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I fucking hate Islam. I hate it with a passion. I don't want to be all "Let's just get along and sing Kumbaya". There is no peaceful coexistence with this:

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Call me a biggot, I don't give a damn. I don't want this in my country, and I don't want it in Europe . I hate Islam more than I hate Westboro Baptist Church. I hate moderate Islam more than I hate fundamental Christianity. I have no desire to be surrounded by a bunch of vocally misogynist men and voiceless women. I have no desire to see the percentages of Muslims rise in Western nations.

It's a cancerous tumor that needs to be excised. I have no problems with stopping all Muslim immigration.

It is no coincidence that almost all the people here defending Islam are men. They might have a change of heart if Islam was calling for them to be dressed like nuns, to be held responsible for being raped because they weren't entirely covered up, to be treated as child-producing chattel and to be executed for pre-marital sex.

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24-10-2014, 11:28 AM
RE: The Third Jihad
(24-10-2014 11:07 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(23-10-2014 10:28 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I fucking hate Islam. I hate it with a passion. I don't want to be all "Let's just get along and sing Kumbaya". There is no peaceful coexistence with this:

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[Image: 1315780550-muslim-extremists-noisy-prote...826791.jpg]

Call me a biggot, I don't give a damn. I don't want this in my country, and I don't want it in Europe . I hate Islam more than I hate Westboro Baptist Church. I hate moderate Islam more than I hate fundamental Christianity. I have no desire to be surrounded by a bunch of vocally misogynist men and voiceless women. I have no desire to see the percentages of Muslims rise in Western nations.

It's a cancerous tumor that needs to be excised. I have no problems with stopping all Muslim immigration.

It is no coincidence that almost all the people here defending Islam are men. They might have a change of heart if Islam was calling for them to be dressed like nuns, to be held responsible for being raped because they weren't entirely covered up, to be treated as child-producing chattel and to be executed for pre-marital sex.

You do know some muslim areas are not like that right

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24-10-2014, 11:44 AM
RE: The Third Jihad
(24-10-2014 11:07 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(23-10-2014 10:28 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I fucking hate Islam. I hate it with a passion. I don't want to be all "Let's just get along and sing Kumbaya". There is no peaceful coexistence with this:

[Image: MuslimMenace2.jpg]
[Image: 1315780550-muslim-extremists-noisy-prote...826791.jpg]

Call me a biggot, I don't give a damn. I don't want this in my country, and I don't want it in Europe . I hate Islam more than I hate Westboro Baptist Church. I hate moderate Islam more than I hate fundamental Christianity. I have no desire to be surrounded by a bunch of vocally misogynist men and voiceless women. I have no desire to see the percentages of Muslims rise in Western nations.

It's a cancerous tumor that needs to be excised. I have no problems with stopping all Muslim immigration.

It is no coincidence that almost all the people here defending Islam are men. They might have a change of heart if Islam was calling for them to be dressed like nuns, to be held responsible for being raped because they weren't entirely covered up, to be treated as child-producing chattel and to be executed for pre-marital sex.

I surveyed the two Saudi women who work in my lab, and our Moroccan supervisor.

Let me know which of them is "corrupting" our pure "Canadian" society, k? So far as I can tell the most toxic influence on it is you.

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24-10-2014, 11:46 AM
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(24-10-2014 11:28 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(24-10-2014 11:07 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  It is no coincidence that almost all the people here defending Islam are men. They might have a change of heart if Islam was calling for them to be dressed like nuns, to be held responsible for being raped because they weren't entirely covered up, to be treated as child-producing chattel and to be executed for pre-marital sex.

You do know some muslim areas are not like that right

Most aren't like that.

The vast majority aren't like that.

Every ideology has its share of fanatical hardliners, and it's possible to oppose those without embracing fascist nativism.

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24-10-2014, 12:53 PM
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(23-10-2014 10:28 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I fucking hate Islam. I hate it with a passion. I don't want to be all "Let's just get along and sing Kumbaya". There is no peaceful coexistence with this:

[Image: MuslimMenace2.jpg]
[Image: 1315780550-muslim-extremists-noisy-prote...826791.jpg]

Call me a biggot, I don't give a damn. I don't want this in my country, and I don't want it in Europe . I hate Islam more than I hate Westboro Baptist Church. I hate moderate Islam more than I hate fundamental Christianity. I have no desire to be surrounded by a bunch of vocally misogynist men and voiceless women. I have no desire to see the percentages of Muslims rise in Western nations.

It's a cancerous tumor that needs to be excised. I have no problems with stopping all Muslim immigration.

Now take everything you wrote, replace 'Islam' with Neo-Nazi or Klu Klux Klan, then try to make the connection to hate and fear all Christians.

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