The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
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10-08-2015, 08:24 PM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2015 08:28 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
Removed because of error discussed, below.

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10-08-2015, 08:28 PM
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
Ah, I re-read... quick scan last time, mainly looking at links to confirm which parts were "quote mining", since I know that's his main tactic at this point.

He didn't mention Ribosomes, but Ribose.

I apologize about that error.

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10-08-2015, 08:31 PM
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
(10-08-2015 08:19 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  The PubMed article he quoted is from 1984... the year before we had even invented the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) which allows for RNA to be rapidly scanned!

Orig Life. 1984;14(1-4):565-70.
The improbability of prebiotic nucleic acid synthesis.
Shapiro R.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6462692

so how about you stop now blabbering, and explain as a starter how the 11 step adenine biosynthesis pathway emerged in the prebiotic soup ?? Consider
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10-08-2015, 08:35 PM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2015 08:59 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
So they have made a ribosome that is much more efficient than the piss-poor one that godexists stupid god "designed".
http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i31/Desig...Cells.html

We've been through this all before, Mr. Spamming-for-his-idiot-site godexists.

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10-08-2015, 08:46 PM
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
I can't believe this dipshit thinks we don't learn from last time he pulled this crap.

Oh, maybe THIS time he'll have an honest conversation!

Maybe THIS time he'll acknowledge when he brings us something he was told (with nice graphics!) is Irreducibly Complex, and we show him that someone figured out the means by which it evolved, or figured out multiple paths by which it could have evolved (which often happens, when there are multiple ways it could happen but we have no way of narrowing down by experiment which method nature actually employed in doing so, 4 billion years ago).

Maybe THIS time, he'll honor the basic rules of intellectual honesty.

In the words of our previous President, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once — shame on — shame on you. You fool me, you can't get fooled again."

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10-08-2015, 08:50 PM
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
(10-08-2015 08:46 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I can't believe this dipshit thinks we don't learn from last time he pulled this crap.

Oh, maybe THIS time he'll have an honest conversation!

Maybe THIS time he'll acknowledge when he brings us something he was told (with nice graphics!) is Irreducibly Complex, and we show him that someone figured out the means by which it evolved, or figured out multiple paths by which it could have evolved (which often happens, when there are multiple ways it could happen but we have no way of narrowing down by experiment which method nature actually employed in doing so, 4 billion years ago).

Maybe THIS time, he'll honor the basic rules of intellectual honesty.

In the words of our previous President, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once — shame on — shame on you. You fool me, you can't get fooled again."

It's on YouTube. Don't make me paste it. Tongue

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10-08-2015, 09:16 PM
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Just wanted to repost this 1) because of my total man-crush toward Dr. Tyson, and 2) because I just finished watching the whole thing, and the end of it horrified me, broke my heart, as he talked about the golden age of science and mathematics in the Muslim world, from 800-1100 C.E., inviting scholars from all around the world to come to Baghdad, the center of free thought, and how all of this died after 300 years of flourishing due to religious fundamentalist thinking that attacked it as "a threat to faith".

For 300 years, Muslims made almost every major advance: arabic numbers, algebra, the algorithm, the naming of nearly every star in the sky, etc... and then it was gone in a flash, with the rise of religious intolerance for science in that culture. Now there is nothing. Still. A millennium later. He compared it to what is going on in America, right now, showing the Creationist billboards and anti-BigBang/anti-evolution propaganda, discussing the rhetoric of those who cannot accept the scientific worldview.

He then pointed out that, with 1 billion Muslims in the world, only two have ever received Nobel Prizes. Two. (And one was in Economics.) 300 years of ruling the world of freethought, and now 1/7th of the world's population is almost entirely out of the arena of advancing mankind's knowledge. Why? Because if you look backward into the dusty pages of a Holy Book for your answers, it's all you ever see. Sad

I think I'm gonna go take another motorcycle ride, now.

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10-08-2015, 10:06 PM
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
I started reading up until the heaven forum citation. Seriously?

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10-08-2015, 11:22 PM
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system
Existypants, why haven't you published? Or at least linked us to published articles, and not from 1984 either. 1984 means you've skipped 30 fucking years of research. Very poor effort. 0%

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10-08-2015, 11:25 PM (This post was last modified: 11-08-2015 09:40 AM by The Organic Chemist.)
RE: The Transport of Proteins into Mitochondria is a irreducible complex system

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