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13-06-2017, 11:14 AM (This post was last modified: 13-06-2017 11:21 AM by Deesse23.)
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
Your link is from February, and therefore quite outdated. It was taken at the high water mark of the Schulz hype. The world turns quickly around here, recently.

There was a short peak of excitement about Schulz, but it is fading away quickly and SPD is stuck at some 25%. The alt-right (AfD) is stalling or even losing (they once were way over 10%). They are basically talking themselves into their own graves at their rallies, much like your President. The liberal (no, not what you think is liberal Rolleyes ) FDP is back like Arnold promised Big Grin and seems to do surprisingly well. "Die Linke" (yep, the real, self admitted socialists) is stuck somewhere ~10% like usual (much higher in eastern german states though!). Greens lose, but will stay above the 5% threshold (they seem to be in akind of long term decline, since they once had >10% iirc).

Merkels CDU however, they are the big fish in the pond with 37%. The only relevant question seems to be: "Whom will the CDU form a coalition with to gain >50%?"
The only viable option seems to be another grand coalition with the SPD, since a triple coalition hasnt materialized yet on nationwide level. stuff like red-red-green or "Jamaica" (black-yellow-green) is always conjured up before elections but never materialized. You wont find 2 minor parties to agree with each other AND a major party like SPD or CDU.

My 2c: Nothing at all will change. Grand coalition with Merkel as chacellor.

Recent german polls
Trendlines from infratest

Edit: If the FDP is doing better and/or the CDU, until election day, then CDU/FDP would be possible. Exactly what Kohl did for a long time and what Merkel did in 2009-2013. My guts tell me that Merkel would prefer FDP to SPD, since they simply are politically closer than SPD.

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13-06-2017, 12:02 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(13-06-2017 10:32 AM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  
(13-06-2017 09:57 AM)DLJ Wrote:  In the recent General Election, the UKIP vote disappeared. Had the Brexit spirit been still alive, the UKIP vote would have grown.

Serious question: Do you think the "populist wave" is now over, the evidence being May's spanking in the UK and LePen's obliteration in France? (What will happen in Germany is anybody's guess, but I'm thinking that the momentum is still with Merkel. Source: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/7...Schulz-AfD )

I'm thinking that much of the rest of the world, that saw - and sometimes even encouraged - the rise of populist candidates has seen the damage that Trump has done/is doing and want no part of it.

It's not over yet.

This wave is a backlash (or backwash, to continue the liquid metaphor) to globalisation and austerity. And that wave hasn't reached its tsunami peak yet ... you wait until Industrie 4.0 / Internet of Things hits those societies that aren't quick enough in adapting to work-less living environments (i.e a 4-hour work day / job sharing / GMI).

The Luddites are going to look like pussies.

But it should mean that Mussoli Trump-style populists won't be de rigueur for reasons as you indicated.

Here's my prediction...

The USofA has stepped down as Leader of The Free World™ by leaving the Paris Accord and this has left a power vacuum. Merkel immediately stepped forward as did Macron and there'll be some jockeying for position for a while.

Brexit and the US's (Bannon's) intended insularity are short term solutions and indeed are almost irrelevant as countries / states are losing their raison d'être. Corpocracies will grow stronger as superstates (ASEAN, EU, USA) disband / regroup.

US States will start to negotiate trade agreements independently and within 50 years we'll see the USA no more but instead maybe 10 states in total reformed along economic lines i.e. California becoming an independent economic region.

The loss of borders means the loss of geographic democracy.

Consumer Unions (like BankExit) will start to organise as the counterweight to borderless corporations if the regulators (weakened by lack of unity) don't tackle the ISDS problem (Trade Unions might go global but they'll be slow to react) following the paradigm shift of countries becoming investors rather than regulators.

Apart from the 10 State thing, I predicted much of this before the US election when TPP was still on the cards.
A Clinton plutocracy would have made it inevitable but given that corporations haven't gone away and Industrie 4.0 is still highly likely (blame Girlyman and his programmer friends for that) it's still on the cards.

The TPP might still happen (because Singapore), fingers crossed, to bolster the Leviathan but failing that, Unions might be our only hope in avoiding the Pareto Distribution ... or, as I hinted at a while back, we'll be relying on Google to become the Leviathan!!!! Ohmy

The big question is as Douglas Adams pointed out...
The worlds of politics, media, trade, education etc. used to be 1-1 communication.
Then it became 1-many, then many-1.
Now we are transitioning to a (brave new) world of many-many.

It's a paradigm shift akin to the 15th century following the invention of the printing press... but much faster thanks to modern technology.

What that will eventually look like, I don't know. I'm kinda hoping I'll be dead by then.

But then, it could lead to a new enlightenment... all the ingredients are there after all.

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13-06-2017, 12:33 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
Sessions testimony live stream

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13-06-2017, 02:34 PM
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(13-06-2017 12:33 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Sessions testimony live stream
From the segments I've seen so far, it's very suspect.

Sessions is repeatedly avoiding answering questions. He's claiming that the President might at some point in future claim executive privilege and hence he thinks him answering the questions now might conflict with the executive privilege that the President hasn't yet sought.

For example "Mr Sessions did the president speak of the Russian collusion investigation when he was requesting you to document your recommendation to fire Comey?"

Answer - "I can't answer that because the president might ask for executive privilege on that"


So Trump gets away with "executive privilege" without even being on record as claiming executive privilege. This is just bizarre!
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13-06-2017, 02:46 PM
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(13-06-2017 02:34 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(13-06-2017 12:33 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Sessions testimony live stream
From the segments I've seen so far, it's very suspect.

Sessions is repeatedly avoiding answering questions. He's claiming that the President might at some point in future claim executive privilege and hence he thinks him answering the questions now might conflict with the executive privilege that the President hasn't yet sought.

For example "Mr Sessions did the president speak of the Russian collusion investigation when he was requesting you to document your recommendation to fire Comey?"

Answer - "I can't answer that because the president might ask for executive privilege on that"


So Trump gets away with "executive privilege" without even being on record as claiming executive privilege. This is just bizarre!

Sessions is a patsy who is too fucking stupid to see Trump would throw him under the bus just like he tried with Comey.

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13-06-2017, 04:56 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(13-06-2017 02:34 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(13-06-2017 12:33 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Sessions testimony live stream
From the segments I've seen so far, it's very suspect.

Sessions is repeatedly avoiding answering questions. He's claiming that the President might at some point in future claim executive privilege and hence he thinks him answering the questions now might conflict with the executive privilege that the President hasn't yet sought.

For example "Mr Sessions did the president speak of the Russian collusion investigation when he was requesting you to document your recommendation to fire Comey?"

The only thing that comes to mind is 1984.
Answer - "I can't answer that because the president might ask for executive privilege on that"


So Trump gets away with "executive privilege" without even being on record as claiming executive privilege. This is just bizarre!

If there is nothing to hide about Comey's firing, what would he do? He probably would not make a grotesque scene exercising speculative uninvoked executive privilege.

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13-06-2017, 05:39 PM
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(13-06-2017 04:56 PM)tomilay Wrote:  If there is nothing to hide about Comey's firing, what would he do? He probably would not make a grotesque scene exercising speculative uninvoked executive privilege.
His silence does appear to be incriminating.

I think it is quite different to Comey not coming public with regards to Trump not being under personal investigation. As Comey said, if the FBI had made a prior statement that the president was no under personal investigation and then later the investigation turned it's focus on the president then the FBI might feel compelled to go public.

It seems to me that Sessions has been prepped for this hearing (as you would expect) by lawyers and Trump, Lawyers would tend to be on the keep quiet side of things.

But, of course if Trump wants to lift the "cloud" and is open 100% to testifying, then he ought to have given Sessions the go ahead.
If the committee can't get Sessions to speak of his conversations with Trump, the committee will need to get Trump himself into a hearing.
It would be great to get them both in separate closed hearings and then compare to see if their statements are cohesive.
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13-06-2017, 06:30 PM (This post was last modified: 13-06-2017 06:44 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
I figure with all the leaks we've had, there'd be at least one tiny little piece of evidence of collusion come out. Anything?

The way the media has played this, they better hope Trump is GUILTY.

Because if this turns out to be nothing, democrats are screwed for a long time. The longer it takes the worse it will be if Trump is innocent. The closer to the midterms we hear from the special prosecutor, it will severely destroy one party. If Trump is found to have colluded with the Russians the GOP will lose the house and Senate in 2018 as well as the presidency in 2020. If it turns out to be the biggest wolf cry in history, nobody will trust the mainstream media for a long time and democrat candidates will feel the repercussions for a few election cycles.

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13-06-2017, 08:34 PM
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Republicans are building Trump an ‘idiot defence’ against impeachment.

The argument is, essentially, that Trump doesn't really know what he is doing, therefore he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions.

Last I checked, ignorance of the law was no excuse. Seems Trump and his merry band of sycophants don't agree.

Only Republicans can really stoop to such immense stupidity. Dems are bad enough. This crop of Repubs take the cake. Facepalm
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13-06-2017, 08:46 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(13-06-2017 06:30 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  ...
If it turns out to be the biggest wolf cry in history, nobody will trust the mainstream media for a long time and democrat candidates will feel the repercussions for a few election cycles.

And what if the conclusion is something like...

Quote:Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of Justice:

In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual transparency is in order.

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.

... legally "Not Guilty" but found guilty and sentenced to hang by the neck until dead by the court of public opinion.

There is already enough reputational damage for the Trump administration to be neutered. The only question is whether the Dems can capitalise on that in the same way that the GOP did wrt Clinton.

And I have my doubts about that. The centrists don't seem to have the same rabid mob mentality as the righteous right.

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