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29-07-2017, 02:01 PM (This post was last modified: 29-07-2017 02:58 PM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 01:33 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  If you want to know how Americans feel about Trump, republicans and democrats, don't look to polls. Just look at the money flowing into the midterm campaigns and the parties themselves. Democrats are broke.

That isn't necessarily a metric for popularity. You'ld also have to factor in the size of the average donation. It may be that Republicans garner larger donations because they have broader support among wealthier people, while the Dems could have the same number of donations but if each is smaller their finances are impacted.

It's true that the size of the war chest can have a big impact on election results, but it's a stretch to assume donations are the best metric for popularity. You'll need more data to support that claim.

Edit: Your link also goes on to say that in close races (10% or closer), the biggest spender still loses 40% of the time. Money is important, but where will these donations be when Mueller is working his case ... or, as you hope, fired? There's a lot of eggs here, but counting them right now seems a touch premature.
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29-07-2017, 03:15 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 12:46 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(29-07-2017 12:39 PM)ShadowProject Wrote:  I think the most 'American' thing we can do is think for ourselves. We aren't ruled by an authoritarian figure, we elect a president and representatives. We should absolutely be questioning them and their motives for the rules that govern us, regardless of ones political affiliation.

I do wonder if this is part and parcel of being a career (police, military, etc.) that demands loyalty and obedience to a leader. You are taught not to ask too any questions, not really to think for yourself.

Or perhaps some of us agree with the Republican agenda? Trump and republicans were sent to do a job. They were given a majority in congress for a reason. Repeal Obamacare. Build a wall. Stop Muslim immigration. Get tough on crime. Destroy ISIS. Trump is doing what he can (appointing Mattis as SecDef and Gorsich to Supreme Court) but its up to republicans in congress to write legislation. With the senate rules the way they are (60 votes needed for legislation) nothing will get done with a 52-48 split. Trump is right. They need to change the rule to 51 votes to pass legislation. Since we've become a divided nation, its unlikely congress will agree on any agenda so the 60 vote rule needs to go.

Right now they have a majority in Congress and still cannot get shit done. It looks to me like the GOP could fuck up an orgasm.
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29-07-2017, 03:25 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 03:15 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(29-07-2017 12:46 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Or perhaps some of us agree with the Republican agenda? Trump and republicans were sent to do a job. They were given a majority in congress for a reason. Repeal Obamacare. Build a wall. Stop Muslim immigration. Get tough on crime. Destroy ISIS. Trump is doing what he can (appointing Mattis as SecDef and Gorsich to Supreme Court) but its up to republicans in congress to write legislation. With the senate rules the way they are (60 votes needed for legislation) nothing will get done with a 52-48 split. Trump is right. They need to change the rule to 51 votes to pass legislation. Since we've become a divided nation, its unlikely congress will agree on any agenda so the 60 vote rule needs to go.

Right now they have a majority in Congress and still cannot get shit done. It looks to me like the GOP could fuck up an orgasm.

Except, of course, where LDH is concerned.

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29-07-2017, 03:27 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 03:15 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(29-07-2017 12:46 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Or perhaps some of us agree with the Republican agenda? Trump and republicans were sent to do a job. They were given a majority in congress for a reason. Repeal Obamacare. Build a wall. Stop Muslim immigration. Get tough on crime. Destroy ISIS. Trump is doing what he can (appointing Mattis as SecDef and Gorsich to Supreme Court) but its up to republicans in congress to write legislation. With the senate rules the way they are (60 votes needed for legislation) nothing will get done with a 52-48 split. Trump is right. They need to change the rule to 51 votes to pass legislation. Since we've become a divided nation, its unlikely congress will agree on any agenda so the 60 vote rule needs to go.

Right now they have a majority in Congress and still cannot get shit done. It looks to me like the GOP could fuck up an orgasm.

Did you even read what I wrote? How can they pass anything if they need 60 votes to pass legislation? There's 52 republicans in the senate. There aren't many instances of crossing the aisle. We've reached a point where congress votes across party lines the least in history. It seems that the only thing they will cross the aisle for are sanctions and budget bills. Social issues, party agenda items etc are strict party line votes.

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29-07-2017, 03:33 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 01:33 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(29-07-2017 01:14 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one is "crying" Dork Lord. I for one an=m very very pleased. Not in my wildest dreams, could I have imagined that your boy Trump could have shown himself to be the total idiot he is, and done all the stupid things he has, or been SO unpresidential. The Boy Scouts had to apologize for him, the Chief in NY had to remind his officers they were not to listen to him about suspect treatment. So, if you want to think is crying you're hearing, it's might be, but only because we're laughing so hard at the stupidity of the Republicans, we're crying laughing. Please tell your people to keep up the GREAT job they're doing. Thumbsup

Only far left loons think there's a problem with TRUMP. Phony opinion polls where 70% of those polled are democrats give Trump bad poll numbers. If you want to know how Americans feel about Trump, republicans and democrats, don't look to polls. Just look at the money flowing into the midterm campaigns and the parties themselves. Democrats are broke. Since 2000, the candidate that spends the most money wins 93% of the time in house races and 83% of the time in senate races. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/01...ways-wins/

People are donating to republicans at nearly a 3 to 1 ratio. Democrats are at their lowest in terms of donations in 20 years.

Far lefties see anything Trump does as wrong. The rest of us go "yeah he's right, lets donate more money."

If Trump really had such a low approval rating, the DNC and democrat candidates should be breaking money records. Well they are, just in the wrong direction.

From the Center for Responsive Politics:

Financial activity for all SENATE candidates, 2017-2018

Democrats: $97,860,413

Republicans: $41,770,705


Party No. of Cands Total Raised Total Spent Total Cash
on Hand Total
from PACs Total
from Indivs
All 315 $142,590,308 $47,445,821 $262,267,620 $25,928,185
$101,249,280


Dems 122 $97,860,413 $29,990,960 $153,228,149 $14,887,788 $75,713,943


Repubs 174 $41,770,705 $16,597,222 $102,926,749 $10,701,247 $22,909,491
Based on data released by the FEC on 07/27/17.



HOUSE:
Financial activity for all House candidates, 2017-2018

Democrats: $135,744,292

Republicans: $138,910,743

Party No. of Cands Total Raised Total Spent Total Cash
on Hand Total
from PACs Total
from Indivs
All 1616 $274,844,090 $172,670,137 $391,225,341 $89,345,787 $160,442,007

Dems 819 $135,744,292 $95,123,024 $183,942,844 $32,612,761 $99,347,511

Repubs 745 $138,910,743 $77,366,645 $206,921,335 $56,723,026 $60,898,446
Senate

Based on data released by the FEC on 07/27/17.

This didn't transfer very well so here's the link: https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/

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29-07-2017, 03:36 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 03:27 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  It seems that the only thing they will cross the aisle for are sanctions and budget bills. Social issues, party agenda items etc are strict party line votes.

And that needs to stop. They were all sent there by the people to watch out for us and they are not doing it. They need to go back to debating shit instead of crafting nonsense behind closed doors and then twisting people's arms to get them to sign off on it.

Shame on the whole lot of them.

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29-07-2017, 03:56 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 01:33 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(29-07-2017 01:14 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one is "crying" Dork Lord. I for one an=m very very pleased. Not in my wildest dreams, could I have imagined that your boy Trump could have shown himself to be the total idiot he is, and done all the stupid things he has, or been SO unpresidential. The Boy Scouts had to apologize for him, the Chief in NY had to remind his officers they were not to listen to him about suspect treatment. So, if you want to think is crying you're hearing, it's might be, but only because we're laughing so hard at the stupidity of the Republicans, we're crying laughing. Please tell your people to keep up the GREAT job they're doing. Thumbsup

Only far left loons think there's a problem with TRUMP. Phony opinion polls where 70% of those polled are democrats give Trump bad poll numbers. If you want to know how Americans feel about Trump, republicans and democrats, don't look to polls. Just look at the money flowing into the midterm campaigns and the parties themselves. Democrats are broke. Since 2000, the candidate that spends the most money wins 93% of the time in house races and 83% of the time in senate races. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/01...ways-wins/

People are donating to republicans at nearly a 3 to 1 ratio. Democrats are at their lowest in terms of donations in 20 years.

Far lefties see anything Trump does as wrong. The rest of us go "yeah he's right, lets donate more money."

If Trump really had such a low approval rating, the DNC and democrat candidates should be breaking money records. Well they are, just in the wrong direction.

You have no evidence the polls are rigged. None. None at all. Even conservative polls show Trump's approval is terrible, and you are delusional. Let''s see the evidence for every single one of those bullshit claims.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...donations/
http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presid...trump.aspx

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29-07-2017, 04:00 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 03:36 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(29-07-2017 03:27 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  It seems that the only thing they will cross the aisle for are sanctions and budget bills. Social issues, party agenda items etc are strict party line votes.

And that needs to stop. They were all sent there by the people to watch out for us and they are not doing it. They need to go back to debating shit instead of crafting nonsense behind closed doors and then twisting people's arms to get them to sign off on it.

Shame on the whole lot of them.

If they're not going to actually do any good for the people, the least they can do is entertain us. Trump is good for a laugh, but this Mooch guy is fucking gold.

I may weep for our future, but half of those tears are from laughter at the retardery of what this country has become.

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29-07-2017, 04:03 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 03:27 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(29-07-2017 03:15 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Right now they have a majority in Congress and still cannot get shit done. It looks to me like the GOP could fuck up an orgasm.

Did you even read what I wrote? How can they pass anything if they need 60 votes to pass legislation? There's 52 republicans in the senate. There aren't many instances of crossing the aisle. We've reached a point where congress votes across party lines the least in history. It seems that the only thing they will cross the aisle for are sanctions and budget bills. Social issues, party agenda items etc are strict party line votes.

There's an obvious answer. Let's see if the shitheads in Washington, in both parties, are bright enough to consider it.

No, the Republicans, who pay so much lip service to founding intent, would rather do away with an original feature of the Constitution, the filibuster, which was designed to ensure the majority would have to listen to the minority.

Or -- the obvious answer: they could craft a compromise that can win enough votes, both from the Dems and their own party members.

Your complaints about party loyalties make me laugh, considering how blindly loyal you are to the Republicans. Perhaps you, a Republican, should make sure in the next primary you vote for a candidate flexible enough that he or she is able to compromise, instead of voting for the most extreme flag-carrier you can find? Just a thought.
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29-07-2017, 04:06 PM
RE: The Trump Impeachment Thread
(29-07-2017 03:25 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(29-07-2017 03:15 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Right now they have a majority in Congress and still cannot get shit done. It looks to me like the GOP could fuck up an orgasm.

Except, of course, where LDH is concerned.

He's certainly had his share over the Shitgibbon's political pr0n.
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