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31-07-2017, 05:37 AM
RE: The US health care plan
(31-07-2017 04:49 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(30-07-2017 08:42 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  If you're on Medicare/caid you have healthcare. It's not health insurance. The government pays the providers directly. And I'm not sure what all of this talk about not being able to find providers if you're on Medicare/Medicaid is, but in my area it's hard to find one that won't accept you. In fact, it's easier to find ones that accept only Medicaid/care than to finds ones that won't accept it.

Um...
Yeah...

And???

If you're not on Medicare/ care, you're forced to deal with leaches. (AKA for profit insurance companies).

Until we get for profit companies out of health care, somebody is getting screwed.

While you're correct that ultimately we need to get for-profit companies out of healthcare, having millions more people with health insurance is still putting downward pressure on health costs for all of us. A main reason for that is that people with health coverage of some kind can see primary care doctors at a copay that they can afford instead of going to the ER when their kids have an ear infection, defaulting on the astronomical bill that results*, and the hospital recouping the cost of the defaults by raising prices for other services. Also, with fewer people in the ER those who need to be there will have better outcomes.

*Even with what's supposed to be "great" health insurance, a recent visit to the ER when I thought I'd broken a bone in my foot eventually cost us more than $600 out of pocket. I can't even imagine what someone with no insurance would have been charged for five minutes of palpation and advice plus a couple of x-rays, but it would have been in the thousands of dollars range.
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02-08-2017, 09:26 AM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2017 09:38 AM by Grauwyler.)
RE: The US health care plan
Although this link is a bit more in line with current happenings on the (ugh) Tomi Lahren thread, it seems a bit more appropriate to post in this thread if going by title. This insight on healthcare really made me think, so I thought I'd toss it out there and see what other folks think.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/06/the-r...stion.html

(The whole article is great, but I guess what really struck me deepest was realizing on a gut level that our constitution provides for a lawyer if you can't afford it, yet somehow a doctor manages to still be up in the air?!)

ETA: It's long, but definitely worth the read.
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02-08-2017, 02:59 PM
RE: The US health care plan
(02-08-2017 09:26 AM)Grauwyler Wrote:  Although this link is a bit more in line with current happenings on the (ugh) Tomi Lahren thread, it seems a bit more appropriate to post in this thread if going by title. This insight on healthcare really made me think, so I thought I'd toss it out there and see what other folks think.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/06/the-r...stion.html

(The whole article is great, but I guess what really struck me deepest was realizing on a gut level that our constitution provides for a lawyer if you can't afford it, yet somehow a doctor manages to still be up in the air?!)

ETA: It's long, but definitely worth the read.

The writer is engaging enough. Became a little tedious after he made his point for the 17th time but engaging enough that I made it to the end. His rhetorical maneuver is obvious, but the point of his tactic is that there are morons out there using points of argument which directly undermine their position, is valid. He could've been more of a dick about it though. More dick and less repetition.

There is only one really serious philosophical question, and that is suicide. -Camus
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