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31-07-2017, 05:37 AM
RE: The US health care plan
(31-07-2017 04:49 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(30-07-2017 08:42 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  If you're on Medicare/caid you have healthcare. It's not health insurance. The government pays the providers directly. And I'm not sure what all of this talk about not being able to find providers if you're on Medicare/Medicaid is, but in my area it's hard to find one that won't accept you. In fact, it's easier to find ones that accept only Medicaid/care than to finds ones that won't accept it.

Um...
Yeah...

And???

If you're not on Medicare/ care, you're forced to deal with leaches. (AKA for profit insurance companies).

Until we get for profit companies out of health care, somebody is getting screwed.

While you're correct that ultimately we need to get for-profit companies out of healthcare, having millions more people with health insurance is still putting downward pressure on health costs for all of us. A main reason for that is that people with health coverage of some kind can see primary care doctors at a copay that they can afford instead of going to the ER when their kids have an ear infection, defaulting on the astronomical bill that results*, and the hospital recouping the cost of the defaults by raising prices for other services. Also, with fewer people in the ER those who need to be there will have better outcomes.

*Even with what's supposed to be "great" health insurance, a recent visit to the ER when I thought I'd broken a bone in my foot eventually cost us more than $600 out of pocket. I can't even imagine what someone with no insurance would have been charged for five minutes of palpation and advice plus a couple of x-rays, but it would have been in the thousands of dollars range.
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02-08-2017, 09:26 AM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2017 09:38 AM by Grauwyler.)
RE: The US health care plan
Although this link is a bit more in line with current happenings on the (ugh) Tomi Lahren thread, it seems a bit more appropriate to post in this thread if going by title. This insight on healthcare really made me think, so I thought I'd toss it out there and see what other folks think.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/06/the-r...stion.html

(The whole article is great, but I guess what really struck me deepest was realizing on a gut level that our constitution provides for a lawyer if you can't afford it, yet somehow a doctor manages to still be up in the air?!)

ETA: It's long, but definitely worth the read.
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02-08-2017, 02:59 PM
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(02-08-2017 09:26 AM)Grauwyler Wrote:  Although this link is a bit more in line with current happenings on the (ugh) Tomi Lahren thread, it seems a bit more appropriate to post in this thread if going by title. This insight on healthcare really made me think, so I thought I'd toss it out there and see what other folks think.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/06/the-r...stion.html

(The whole article is great, but I guess what really struck me deepest was realizing on a gut level that our constitution provides for a lawyer if you can't afford it, yet somehow a doctor manages to still be up in the air?!)

ETA: It's long, but definitely worth the read.

The writer is engaging enough. Became a little tedious after he made his point for the 17th time but engaging enough that I made it to the end. His rhetorical maneuver is obvious, but the point of his tactic is that there are morons out there using points of argument which directly undermine their position, is valid. He could've been more of a dick about it though. More dick and less repetition.

#sigh
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31-08-2017, 02:54 PM
RE: The US health care plan
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/governors...d=49542719

Quote:Today, Ohio Governor John Kasich and Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper sent a joint plan, titled "Blueprint for Stronger Health Insurance Markets," to Congressional leaders.
"The current state of our individual market is unsustainable and we can all agree this is a problem that needs to be fixed," the letter states. "Continuing uncertainty about the direction of federal policy is driving up premiums, eliminating competition and leaving consumers with fewer choices."

And here is the entire plan:

http://governor.ohio.gov/PrioritiesandIn...rkets.aspx

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31-08-2017, 03:37 PM
RE: The US health care plan
(31-08-2017 02:54 PM)Dom Wrote:  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/governors...d=49542719

Quote:Today, Ohio Governor John Kasich and Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper sent a joint plan, titled "Blueprint for Stronger Health Insurance Markets," to Congressional leaders.
"The current state of our individual market is unsustainable and we can all agree this is a problem that needs to be fixed," the letter states. "Continuing uncertainty about the direction of federal policy is driving up premiums, eliminating competition and leaving consumers with fewer choices."

And here is the entire plan:

http://governor.ohio.gov/PrioritiesandIn...rkets.aspx

Facepalm

Well, it's a good 5 pages more than the trumpster will read.. While a bi-partisan proposal is nice to see, I'd hate to see a building constructed with that level of blueprint. Calling it an outline would be overgenerous.

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31-08-2017, 03:42 PM
RE: The US health care plan
(31-08-2017 03:37 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(31-08-2017 02:54 PM)Dom Wrote:  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/governors...d=49542719


And here is the entire plan:

http://governor.ohio.gov/PrioritiesandIn...rkets.aspx

Facepalm

Well, it's a good 5 pages more than the trumpster will read.. While a bi-partisan proposal is nice to see, I'd hate to see a building constructed with that level of blueprint. Calling it an outline would be overgenerous.

Trump wouldn't read it if it was one paragraph. They'd have to have a fox reporter read it to him on TV.

It's actually not a new plan, it's a bunch of band aids to the old one. It seems to leave a lot up to the governors. Not surprised, since 2 governors wrote it. Smile But, that may not be a bad idea.

I think it will all eventually end up with a one payer plan - but not just yet.

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13-09-2017, 03:00 PM
RE: The US health care plan
I wasn't listening to Bernie because, you know, I'm a Brit so socialised healthcare isn't news...

I was just watching Cory Booker trying to hold back his tears (for the first 4 minutes) thinking of all those bribes donations disappearing.

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15-09-2017, 02:33 PM
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As one who is now on Medicare, I can tell you Medicare does not take care of everything. I still pay almost $200 a month for supplemental care insurance, and still could get hit with large bills if I get really sick. I get Part D that takes care of drug costs, but not everybody gets that. If you retire with money in the bank, you may not be able to get Part D. Drug costs are getting outrageous. A French company that sell insulin charges US customers 8 times more than they charge French or British customers. There is a lot of room for improvement, but our feckless GOP dominated Congress has not been up to the task for the most part.

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15-09-2017, 02:41 PM
RE: The US health care plan
(15-09-2017 02:33 PM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  As one who is now on Medicare, I can tell you Medicare does not take care of everything. I still pay almost $200 a month for supplemental care insurance, and still could get hit with large bills if I get really sick. I get Part D that takes care of drug costs, but not everybody gets that. If you retire with money in the bank, you may not be able to get Part D. Drug costs are getting outrageous. A French company that sell insulin charges US customers 8 times more than they charge French or British customers. There is a lot of room for improvement, but our feckless GOP dominated Congress has not been up to the task for the most part.

Just the fact that the GOP is letting us get our asses kicked by drug costs proves they don't care and that the drug companies own them.
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19-09-2017, 08:05 AM
RE: The US health care plan
(31-08-2017 03:42 PM)Dom Wrote:  I think it will all eventually end up with a one payer plan - but not just yet.

Here's an interesting article about why the single payer plan may not work as well as some believe:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/opini...&smtyp=cur
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