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13-07-2012, 09:36 PM
RE: The US vs UK Thread
Okay here is my serious crack at this. (Because I have nothing better to do today)



US vs UK



Significant allies:
UK:
- Canada
- India
- Australia/New Zealand
- South Africa
- Rest of the EU
- Pakistan
US:
- Japan
Neutral (IMO) countries that would play a major role:
- Russia
- China
- All South American countries (Brazil may side with US)
- Mexico

Nuke count (Includes allies):

UK: 650 (UK, France, India and Pakistan)
US: 2,150
This is a list of active nukes and is a rough estimate as actual figures are not known for certain.
It is worth noting that Russia has 1,800 active nukes.

Active Military Numbers:
UK: 227,160 CAN: 68,250 IND: 1,325,000 ANZ: 67,640 SFR: 74,000 PAK: 617,000 (rest of)EU: 1,467,962
TOTAL: 3,847,012
US: 1,456,862 JAP: 247,746
TOTAL: 1,704,608


Ok so I think the most important thing for victory will be to keep the Atlantic open for ships to move between the EU and Canada. So that means navy time.

Navy:
US: 286 ships JAP: 69 ships
- 11 aircraft carriers
- 22 Cruisers
- 69 Destroyers
- 62 Frigates
- 92 Submarines
EU (Including UK): 632 ships PAK: 59 ships 12 hovercraft lol ANZ: 63 ships IND: 181 ships SFR: 40 ships CAN: 33 ships
- 7 aircraft carriers
- 22 Destroyers
- 142 Frigates
- 95 Submarines

Conclusion:
Sure the US has a lot more active nukes then the UK, but 650 nukes is still a lot of bang and you have to remember that that only needs to be directed at one or two countries. Those US nukes have a lot of targets to hit and so sure each country may get a few nukes dropped on them, but at the end of the day the US just had 650 dropped on them so..
It's probably worth noting that the use of that much nuclear weapons will probably rip the earths crust apart and everyone on earth will just die anyway, so worst case scenario, we all lose.
So, now assuming no nukes are used for the sake of man kind, the UK and friends does have a bigger army and a bigger navy. I think Japan would fight in the Pacific, so it would Australia/New Zealand/Some of India/Some of Pakistan v Japan, which is a win for UK friends. And then so it'd be a naval war for the Atlantic. Because the EU and friends have the larger navy they'd win there eventually. Then they could transport troops across to Canada to fight on land in Canada. Because the EU potentially has better trained troops they'd win there too. They could work their way down the cost to Washington while Indian and Pakistan troops worked their way down the west cost.

Well that's an hour of my time wasted.

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13-07-2012, 10:29 PM (This post was last modified: 14-07-2012 01:15 AM by itsacow.)
RE: The US vs UK Thread
(13-07-2012 09:36 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Okay here is my serious crack at this. (Because I have nothing better to do today)



US vs UK



Significant allies:
UK:
- Canada
- India
- Australia/New Zealand
- South Africa
- Rest of the EU
- Pakistan
US:
- Japan
Neutral (IMO) countries that would play a major role:
- Russia
- China
- All South American countries (Brazil may side with US)
- Mexico

Nuke count (Includes allies):

UK: 650 (UK, France, India and Pakistan)
US: 2,150
This is a list of active nukes and is a rough estimate as actual figures are not known for certain.
It is worth noting that Russia has 1,800 active nukes.

Active Military Numbers:
UK: 227,160 CAN: 68,250 IND: 1,325,000 ANZ: 67,640 SFR: 74,000 PAK: 617,000 (rest of)EU: 1,467,962
TOTAL: 3,847,012
US: 1,456,862 JAP: 247,746
TOTAL: 1,704,608


Ok so I think the most important thing for victory will be to keep the Atlantic open for ships to move between the EU and Canada. So that means navy time.

Navy:
US: 286 ships JAP: 69 ships
- 11 aircraft carriers
- 22 Cruisers
- 69 Destroyers
- 62 Frigates
- 92 Submarines
EU (Including UK): 632 ships PAK: 59 ships 12 hovercraft lol ANZ: 63 ships IND: 181 ships SFR: 40 ships CAN: 33 ships
- 7 aircraft carriers
- 22 Destroyers
- 142 Frigates
- 95 Submarines

Conclusion:
Sure the US has a lot more active nukes then the UK, but 650 nukes is still a lot of bang and you have to remember that that only needs to be directed at one or two countries. Those US nukes have a lot of targets to hit and so sure each country may get a few nukes dropped on them, but at the end of the day the US just had 650 dropped on them so..
It's probably worth noting that the use of that much nuclear weapons will probably rip the earths crust apart and everyone on earth will just die anyway, so worst case scenario, we all lose.
So, now assuming no nukes are used for the sake of man kind, the UK and friends does have a bigger army and a bigger navy. I think Japan would fight in the Pacific, so it would Australia/New Zealand/Some of India/Some of Pakistan v Japan, which is a win for UK friends. And then so it'd be a naval war for the Atlantic. Because the EU and friends have the larger navy they'd win there eventually. Then they could transport troops across to Canada to fight on land in Canada. Because the EU potentially has better trained troops they'd win there too. They could work their way down the cost to Washington while Indian and Pakistan troops worked their way down the west cost.

Well that's an hour of my time wasted.
So... you are saying that Pakistan and India would get along? That is absolutely hilarious. (No offense, just funny) Also that would take both Pakistan and India out of fighting as they would rather stay home and not let the other gain an advantage.

On Japan... their military is designed for defense and would just defend like hell. You also forgot conventional missiles and Air Strength. Also, due to the United States loose restrictions on gun laws militias would spring up everywhere.

Edit: Also, on the ship thing... look at the number of submarines vs destroyers. You only have what... 22? Never doubt the power of submarines. (WW1 and WW2 German U-Boats)

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13-07-2012, 10:58 PM
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(13-07-2012 10:29 PM)itsacow Wrote:  So... you are saying that Pakistan and India would get along? That is absolutely hilarious. (No offense, just funny) Also that would take both Pakistan and India out of fighting as they would rather stay home and not let the other gain an advantage.

On Japan... their military is designed for defense and would just defend like hell. You also forgot conventional missiles and Air Strength. Also, due to the United States loose restrictions on gun laws militias would spring up everywhere.

Dude, if Japan's military is designed for defence then it's gonna totally useless at aiding you. That works in our favour.

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13-07-2012, 11:06 PM
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(13-07-2012 10:58 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(13-07-2012 10:29 PM)itsacow Wrote:  So... you are saying that Pakistan and India would get along? That is absolutely hilarious. (No offense, just funny) Also that would take both Pakistan and India out of fighting as they would rather stay home and not let the other gain an advantage.

On Japan... their military is designed for defense and would just defend like hell. You also forgot conventional missiles and Air Strength. Also, due to the United States loose restrictions on gun laws militias would spring up everywhere.

Dude, if Japan's military is designed for defence then it's gonna totally useless at aiding you. That works in our favour.
That was my point..

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13-07-2012, 11:16 PM
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Don't forget we have the Israelis.

Oh and Iraq and Afghanistan. Tongue

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14-07-2012, 01:43 PM
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(13-07-2012 09:36 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Okay here is my serious crack at this. (Because I have nothing better to do today)

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14-07-2012, 10:13 PM
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(13-07-2012 04:13 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Does that count as American ingenuity or Cajun ingenuity?
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16-07-2012, 03:40 AM
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Hey, don't turn this thread into military power between UK and USA, this is the overall rating of UK and USA. As I have shown you, UK is better. As for the military, we have established in that other thread that USA is stronger.

As for the Falkland Islands, that is one big BS made by the UK, seriously, they should be removed from there, as all the other countries have removed themselves from their colonies. Colonial bastards, leave the people alone! Falkland is Argentina!

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16-07-2012, 05:21 AM (This post was last modified: 16-07-2012 05:29 AM by bemore.)
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16-07-2012, 07:58 AM
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(16-07-2012 03:40 AM)Filox Wrote:  Hey, don't turn this thread into military power between UK and USA, this is the overall rating of UK and USA. As I have shown you, UK is better. As for the military, we have established in that other thread that USA is stronger.

As for the Falkland Islands, that is one big BS made by the UK, seriously, they should be removed from there, as all the other countries have removed themselves from their colonies. Colonial bastards, leave the people alone! Falkland is Argentina!

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