Poll: Did watching this video change your opinion about Trump?
Yes
No
Other (explain in a post)
[Show Results]
 
The Untruth About Donald Trump
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
27-02-2016, 08:56 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
(27-02-2016 08:44 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  What gets my 'lederhosen' is a bunch is when people defend someone (Trump in this case) simply because it goes against the grain and no based on small things like facts. Is that what is happening here?
You don't even have Lederhosen. Tongue

Having said that, if you think that I mainly support Trump because he "goes against the grain", then you're wrong. Here's what I had to say in response to Chas when he asked me why I give a fuck about the US presidential election:

(30-01-2016 06:30 PM)Vosur Wrote:  My answer to this question comes straight from the heart. I care because there is an incredible amount of untapped potential in your country and I want to see that potential realized in my lifetime. Many US patriots say that America is the greatest country in the world, but we both know that that is currently not true by any significant measure. However, I genuinely believe that with the right people in charge, the US actually could be one of the greatest, if not the greatest nation on the planet. Just think about where your country would be right now if they hadn't elected Bush twice, if they hadn't elected politicians who both started and refuse to end the disastrous War on Drugs and so on and so forth.

It makes me angry, Chas. It makes me angry that your country is being run by incompetent politicians who aren't being held accountable for their failures, people who refuse let their decisions be guided by scientific knowledge. You have a popular presidential candidate (Ben Carson) who denies the validity of the theory of evolution, for Christ's sake! Anyone spouting such nonsense would be laughed out of the room in Germany or anywhere else in Europe, yet Ben Carson was at 24% in the polls just a few months ago.

You have such a disgusting amount of lobbyism and corporate greed in your country. Did you know that people here in Prague, for instance, can get 300Mbit/s Internet for $40 a month? Do you know how much half of that, 150Mbit/s, costs in the US? Comcast, for instance, charges $250 a month. And it's not because of any technical reasons, it's because a few ISPs each have a virtual monopoly in their area of operations. Did you know that people in the Czech Republic get a minimum of 20 vacation days every year, as mandated by law? Some employers even voluntarily give their employees more than that. My employer, for instance, gives us 25 vacation days a year and up to five days carry over to the next year if you leave them unused. Did you know that the minimum number of vacation days in the US, as mandated by law, is zero? There are only eight other countries in the entire world with no mandatory number of vacation days! Did you know that even employees who worked for a company for 20 years are only eligible, on average, to 19 days of vacation and regular employees only to 10 days?

This is a topic I could go on about for hours because it's something I'm both passionate and knowledgeable about. Your country is backwards in so many different and unique ways and trails behind numerous third-world countries in various measures. Aren't you incredibly upset about the catastrophic state of affairs in your country? I don't even live in the US and I'm mad as hell. I want to see your country be great and that is where one of Trump's major appeals comes into play. He promises to make America great again. Whether or not he can actually accomplish that remains to be seen, but you have to admit that it's a very compelling message. I would love nothing more than to see either him or Sanders take a shot at it. They are the only people who aren't poisoned by the lobbyism and corruption that are so prevalent in your country; that alone is the reason enough not to vote for anyone but these two candidates.

Who are you planning to vote for this election anyway? Who do you trust to clean up this mess of a country? I bet if you read up on Trump's policies, you'd find that you agree with him on at least some issues. I can't imagine that you don't support his views on the 2nd amendment, for instance.

That's not to say that I think he's a perfect candidate. There are plenty of issues I have with Trump, such as his extreme stance on torture, global warming and the encryption situation with Apple and the FBI, but hey, you only have two anti-establishment candidates running for president. I have no doubts that Bernie has good intentions, but with a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate, he would never ever be able to make the changes he has promised to make. By process of elimination, that leaves Trump as the only person who can enact actual positive change for the people in the US.

[Image: 7oDSbD4.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
27-02-2016, 09:36 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
I voted "no" after watching it because there was nothing in the content of which I was not already aware.

It's hyperbolic show-time from Trump and from the Media.

Yawn!

Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 4 users Like DLJ's post
27-02-2016, 09:37 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
(27-02-2016 12:14 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(27-02-2016 11:42 AM)morondog Wrote:  Molyneux? That anarchist guy Lumi had a hard-on for? Laughat How the mighty have fallen.
Nice ad hominem. You're a real critical thinker, aren't you? Laugh out load

Molyneux has not gained the respect of anyone here besides Lumi, and now you.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
27-02-2016, 09:38 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
(27-02-2016 02:53 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(27-02-2016 01:50 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Where? He's merely pointing out a couple truths about those two men. Those are just actual elements of the people.
He's not dismissing the video because there's something wrong with the arguments presented in it, but because of who made it. That's a textbook example of an ad hominem if I've ever seen one. I bet he hasn't even bothered to watch it. Drinking Beverage

He didn't dismiss the video. You made that up. Drinking Beverage

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Chas's post
27-02-2016, 11:36 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
(27-02-2016 08:56 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(27-02-2016 08:44 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  What gets my 'lederhosen' is a bunch is when people defend someone (Trump in this case) simply because it goes against the grain and no based on small things like facts. Is that what is happening here?
You don't even have Lederhosen. Tongue

Having said that, if you think that I mainly support Trump because he "goes against the grain", then you're wrong. Here's what I had to say in response to Chas when he asked me why I give a fuck about the US presidential election:

(30-01-2016 06:30 PM)Vosur Wrote:  My answer to this question comes straight from the heart. I care because there is an incredible amount of untapped potential in your country and I want to see that potential realized in my lifetime. Many US patriots say that America is the greatest country in the world, but we both know that that is currently not true by any significant measure. However, I genuinely believe that with the right people in charge, the US actually could be one of the greatest, if not the greatest nation on the planet. Just think about where your country would be right now if they hadn't elected Bush twice, if they hadn't elected politicians who both started and refuse to end the disastrous War on Drugs and so on and so forth.

It makes me angry, Chas. It makes me angry that your country is being run by incompetent politicians who aren't being held accountable for their failures, people who refuse let their decisions be guided by scientific knowledge. You have a popular presidential candidate (Ben Carson) who denies the validity of the theory of evolution, for Christ's sake! Anyone spouting such nonsense would be laughed out of the room in Germany or anywhere else in Europe, yet Ben Carson was at 24% in the polls just a few months ago.

You have such a disgusting amount of lobbyism and corporate greed in your country. Did you know that people here in Prague, for instance, can get 300Mbit/s Internet for $40 a month? Do you know how much half of that, 150Mbit/s, costs in the US? Comcast, for instance, charges $250 a month. And it's not because of any technical reasons, it's because a few ISPs each have a virtual monopoly in their area of operations. Did you know that people in the Czech Republic get a minimum of 20 vacation days every year, as mandated by law? Some employers even voluntarily give their employees more than that. My employer, for instance, gives us 25 vacation days a year and up to five days carry over to the next year if you leave them unused. Did you know that the minimum number of vacation days in the US, as mandated by law, is zero? There are only eight other countries in the entire world with no mandatory number of vacation days! Did you know that even employees who worked for a company for 20 years are only eligible, on average, to 19 days of vacation and regular employees only to 10 days?

This is a topic I could go on about for hours because it's something I'm both passionate and knowledgeable about. Your country is backwards in so many different and unique ways and trails behind numerous third-world countries in various measures. Aren't you incredibly upset about the catastrophic state of affairs in your country? I don't even live in the US and I'm mad as hell. I want to see your country be great and that is where one of Trump's major appeals comes into play. He promises to make America great again. Whether or not he can actually accomplish that remains to be seen, but you have to admit that it's a very compelling message. I would love nothing more than to see either him or Sanders take a shot at it. They are the only people who aren't poisoned by the lobbyism and corruption that are so prevalent in your country; that alone is the reason enough not to vote for anyone but these two candidates.

Who are you planning to vote for this election anyway? Who do you trust to clean up this mess of a country? I bet if you read up on Trump's policies, you'd find that you agree with him on at least some issues. I can't imagine that you don't support his views on the 2nd amendment, for instance.

That's not to say that I think he's a perfect candidate. There are plenty of issues I have with Trump, such as his extreme stance on torture, global warming and the encryption situation with Apple and the FBI, but hey, you only have two anti-establishment candidates running for president. I have no doubts that Bernie has good intentions, but with a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate, he would never ever be able to make the changes he has promised to make. By process of elimination, that leaves Trump as the only person who can enact actual positive change for the people in the US.

Facepalm I'd prefer that the political stalemate here in the US continue to muddle through life, Vs The Donald with his finger on "The Button". FFS, you should stop supporting the crap side of an election in which you have absolutely ZERO contribution. Do you think that what you say here is going to change a single mind? You act like a theist for Trump. Bad ground to stand on, bub.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
27-02-2016, 11:44 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
As I demonstrated in the thread Vosur linked, Trump is a stuffed shirt whose "policy positions" have little or no basis in reality. That is why I wouldn't vote him for Prom King, much less POTUS.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Thumpalumpacus's post
27-02-2016, 11:47 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
(27-02-2016 11:44 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  As I demonstrated in the thread Vosur linked, Trump is a stuffed shirt whose "policy positions" have little or no basis in reality. That is why I wouldn't vote him for Porn King, much less COITUS.


Fixed. Big Grin

NOTE: Member, Tomasia uses this site to slander other individuals. He then later proclaims it a joke, but not in public.
I will call him a liar and a dog here and now.
Banjo.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Banjo's post
27-02-2016, 11:56 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
Molyneux? He has zero credibility. Drinking Beverage

[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
27-02-2016, 11:57 PM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
(27-02-2016 11:36 PM)Fireball Wrote:  
(27-02-2016 08:56 PM)Vosur Wrote:  You don't even have Lederhosen. Tongue

Having said that, if you think that I mainly support Trump because he "goes against the grain", then you're wrong. Here's what I had to say in response to Chas when he asked me why I give a fuck about the US presidential election:


That's not to say that I think he's a perfect candidate. There are plenty of issues I have with Trump, such as his extreme stance on torture, global warming and the encryption situation with Apple and the FBI, but hey, you only have two anti-establishment candidates running for president. I have no doubts that Bernie has good intentions, but with a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate, he would never ever be able to make the changes he has promised to make. By process of elimination, that leaves Trump as the only person who can enact actual positive change for the people in the US.

Facepalm I'd prefer that the political stalemate here in the US continue to muddle through life, Vs The Donald with his finger on "The Button". FFS, you should stop supporting the crap side of an election in which you have absolutely ZERO contribution. Do you think that what you say here is going to change a single mind? You act like a theist for Trump. Bad ground to stand on, bub.

I think Vosur is trying to make a much deeper point.

There is only one really serious philosophical question, and that is suicide. -Camus
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
28-02-2016, 04:00 AM
RE: The Untruth About Donald Trump
(27-02-2016 11:57 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I think Vosur is trying to make a much deeper point.

That if some German thinks we'd be better off with Trump, we're fucked? Already knew that. Laugh out load

[Image: ZF1ZJ4M.jpg]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 6 users Like houseofcantor's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: