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04-05-2014, 11:35 AM
RE: The War on Masturbation
(04-05-2014 04:35 AM)Baruch Wrote:  The problem is the anti-masturbation porn league have a point to an extent.

Too much porn is available instantaneously and too much masturbating can cause harm - especially in relationship building between sexes and younger people.

That is definitely the problem, and it is enhanced by over-population.

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04-05-2014, 11:56 AM
RE: The War on Masturbation
(04-05-2014 11:35 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(04-05-2014 04:35 AM)Baruch Wrote:  The problem is the anti-masturbation porn league have a point to an extent.

Too much porn is available instantaneously and too much masturbating can cause harm - especially in relationship building between sexes and younger people.

That is definitely the problem, and it is enhanced by over-population.

Erm, why is having sex by yourself instead of with others a problem when there is over-population?

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04-05-2014, 12:09 PM
RE: The War on Masturbation
I'm thinking (hoping) he meant that overpopulation emphasizes relational issues. If excessive porn/masturbation causes relationship issues, then this can indeed be a problem, ESPECIALLY in an overpopulated world where good interpersonal interactions are possibly even more important than if we weren't so populated.

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04-05-2014, 12:31 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2014 12:38 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: The War on Masturbation
(04-05-2014 11:56 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(04-05-2014 11:35 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  That is definitely the problem, and it is enhanced by over-population.
Erm, why is having sex by yourself instead of with others a problem when there is over-population?

The problem I was identifying is the relationship problem that was described, and somehow an over-population problem is occurring that provides the labor for the porn-sex industry. I don't think enough of us masturbates are depleting the population, because enough masturbates are probably copulating producing children; and probably contributing to the broken family problem leading to the porn labor.

(04-05-2014 12:09 PM)Charis Wrote:  I'm thinking (hoping) he meant that overpopulation emphasizes relational issues. If excessive porn/masturbation causes relationship issues, then this can indeed be a problem, ESPECIALLY in an overpopulated world where good interpersonal interactions are possibly even more important than if we weren't so populated.
yeah, that too

I am amazed at how prevalent prostitution seems to be here in New York - it appears that they solicit in the grocery stores, and their pimp/boyfriend are trailing them around the aisles pushing an empty cart.

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04-05-2014, 12:40 PM
RE: The War on Masturbation
(04-05-2014 08:39 AM)kim Wrote:  
(04-05-2014 04:35 AM)Baruch Wrote:  From a psychological approach there is truth to this as high porn usage does reduce threshold for stimulation & arousal, leading to a form of addiction that can be psychologically harmful and even lead to impotence. Just consider the first time ever looking at even soft porn being extremely arousing and then being desensitized to the same porn (pretty much like any drug abuse) Porn can be a form of drug abuse in this manner. (technically it does the similar neurological changes in the brain - desensitization & reduction of threshold to experience the same pleasure arousal)

Yes however, what leads one to an addiction may not be the same thing for another. As well, everyone has a different threshold, a different level of tolerance surrounding addiction.

When someone does something everyday and continues to function in everyday life then, they might be an addict or not - possibly a high functioning addict. It's all about control and control is all about reinforcement. Addicts know how to hide their addictions from everyone, especially themselves - it's an individualized form of reinforcement/control. Availability of the addictive thing is simply another thing that the addicted person must reinforce/control. When the thing that person does everyday begins to effect everyday functioning or cause interaction issues with others then, that person is addicted and the hiding becomes increasingly less successful. That person is now controlled by the controlling thing.

Addiction really is a very individual thing with specialized reinforcement that needs to be broken down piece by piece. The most successful treatments have been highly individualized; replacing the reinforcement with a different reinforcement. It is really a "deprograming" and then a "reprograming" - very much akin to "brainwashing".


Frankly, religion itself can be a form of addiction -- but I digress.

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I fully agree with your analysis of addiction.
If someone uses porn, has great sex life and relationships and all is fine and blossoming then there is no problem.
However I have worked in a counseling/psychotherapy setting and come across serious harm from pornography.
I can see both sides because my early days were 7 years of fundamentalist / orthodox Judaism and I am now speaking from a completely secular view point as an atheist/secular philosopher.

...and yes, religion can be addictive and a form of OCD (obsessive compulsive disorders). I came across many cases of OCD orthodoxy - people obsessed if their prayers were at the right time or said correctly and repeat them 'just in case' not said correctly. I mean the Deity may get confused if He doesn't understand the prayer and give a curse instead of a blessing. You have to be careful with these things.

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04-05-2014, 12:46 PM
RE: The War on Masturbation
(04-05-2014 11:56 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(04-05-2014 11:35 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  That is definitely the problem, and it is enhanced by over-population.

Erm, why is having sex by yourself instead of with others a problem when there is over-population?

Correct !
It is the greatest population control method !!!! Maybe it is a conspiracy to keep all the guys masturbating on porn and all the women access to super vibe dildo's to avoid having too many babies. Gay marriage also - great population control !

Unfortunately the population control is all in the wrong places. The least developed countries with crap economies are the ones with too many babies and over population whilst the most developed are ending up top heavy with too many elderly people. Consider Japan and some western European countries (eg Germany) were there is a net deficit in younger people due to declining birth rate and immigration the only way to increase population and ensure it is not top heavy with elderly - soon we will just be paying taxes to look after the retired folk.
CHina is also going to have some seriously screwed up demographics due to the yrs of one child policy.

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04-05-2014, 12:55 PM
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(04-05-2014 12:09 PM)Charis Wrote:  I'm thinking (hoping) he meant that overpopulation emphasizes relational issues. If excessive porn/masturbation causes relationship issues, then this can indeed be a problem, ESPECIALLY in an overpopulated world where good interpersonal interactions are possibly even more important than if we weren't so populated.

I dont think its anything to do with overpopulation.
Children brought up in a stable family will do the best and porn is de-stabalizing in many cases eg leading to unsatisfied sex lives and searching for new partners due to the desensitizing and expectation issues I discussed earlier. (constantly on the look out for the next 'fix' of sexual satisfaction because porn is desensitizing - few can match the expectations than porn delivers. Even the prettiest person will get older and lose vitality and looks and cannot be 18 forever !
There will still be single mothers or poor family unity AND children involved with widespread porn available which wont effect overall population.

Population is generally effected by economic means for how many children one can look after - in the west at least it gets extremely expensive to provide schooling and child care. In economically poor countries this is less of an issue.

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04-05-2014, 01:09 PM
RE: The War on Masturbation
(04-05-2014 12:55 PM)Baruch Wrote:  
(04-05-2014 12:09 PM)Charis Wrote:  I'm thinking (hoping) he meant that overpopulation emphasizes relational issues. If excessive porn/masturbation causes relationship issues, then this can indeed be a problem, ESPECIALLY in an overpopulated world where good interpersonal interactions are possibly even more important than if we weren't so populated.

I dont think its anything to do with overpopulation.
Children brought up in a stable family will do the best and porn is de-stabalizing in many cases eg leading to unsatisfied sex lives and searching for new partners due to the desensitizing and expectation issues I discussed earlier. (constantly on the look out for the next 'fix' of sexual satisfaction because porn is desensitizing - few can match the expectations than porn delivers. Even the prettiest person will get older and lose vitality and looks and cannot be 18 forever !
There will still be single mothers or poor family unity AND children involved with widespread porn available which wont effect overall population.

Population is generally effected by economic means for how many children one can look after - in the west at least it gets extremely expensive to provide schooling and child care. In economically poor countries this is less of an issue.

Don't think there is evidence to justify those claims. Its not proof, but the data shows that areas with greater access to the internet (read porn) have lower instances of sexual crime, suggesting porn is a good thing.
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05-05-2014, 08:43 AM
RE: The War on Masturbation
The only reason that masturbation is any kind of 'issue' at all is religion.

Religion poisons everything.

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05-05-2014, 02:18 PM
RE: The War on Masturbation
(05-05-2014 08:43 AM)Chas Wrote:  The only reason that masturbation is any kind of 'issue' at all is religion.

Really, you have no problem being friends with a masturbate? You could live next door to one, respect his views - have him over for dinner???

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