The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 2 Votes - 3 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
13-03-2015, 09:59 AM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
(13-03-2015 09:45 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(13-03-2015 05:31 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Yep, they lose their entire slave population, they lose their entire livestock population, they lose all of the firstborn of Egypt and then the Pharaoh loses his army in pursuit of Moses and gang.
No one in Egypt cared to mention a thing about this? If we are to believe the Christian apologists excuse for this embarrassing non-mention of this, the Pharaoh supposedly banned any mention of his defeat. Yet wouldn't there be some mention of the trade disruption this would have caused? The fear of neighboring countries taking notice of Egypt's weakness? Nope, apparently the Pharaoh put on a giant officer Barbrady act, nothing to see here, move along.

[Image: barbrady.png]

You would think that there might have been some tombs that show a lot of kids with the same date of death that archeologists would've found. God was in a real demonstrating mood at that moment, you think god would've made sure there was some kind of tell-tale evidence that would leave us scratching our heads and pointing to this incredible series of events, but no, god does what he's best at, completely disappearing without leaving a trace of evidence, but apparently impressing the hell out of an entire nation in the distant past with zero evidence to back up any of these myths.

Your point is moot because it WAS mentioned by Egyptians. Moses was an Egyptian who documented all. And many Egyptians fled with him in the Exodus then joined the Israelites. They are known in Judaism as the Habiru.

Problem 1: there was no Moses in the history of the real world.

Problem 2: you still haven't resolved the numbers issue. The population of the entire nation leaves. And they leave no physical evidence of this. The Greeks don't mention it and no one else mentions it.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
13-03-2015, 10:04 AM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
(13-03-2015 09:45 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(13-03-2015 05:31 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Yep, they lose their entire slave population, they lose their entire livestock population, they lose all of the firstborn of Egypt and then the Pharaoh loses his army in pursuit of Moses and gang.
No one in Egypt cared to mention a thing about this? If we are to believe the Christian apologists excuse for this embarrassing non-mention of this, the Pharaoh supposedly banned any mention of his defeat. Yet wouldn't there be some mention of the trade disruption this would have caused? The fear of neighboring countries taking notice of Egypt's weakness? Nope, apparently the Pharaoh put on a giant officer Barbrady act, nothing to see here, move along.

[Image: barbrady.png]

You would think that there might have been some tombs that show a lot of kids with the same date of death that archeologists would've found. God was in a real demonstrating mood at that moment, you think god would've made sure there was some kind of tell-tale evidence that would leave us scratching our heads and pointing to this incredible series of events, but no, god does what he's best at, completely disappearing without leaving a trace of evidence, but apparently impressing the hell out of an entire nation in the distant past with zero evidence to back up any of these myths.

Your point is moot because it WAS mentioned by Egyptians. Moses was an Egyptian who documented all. And many Egyptians fled with him in the Exodus then joined the Israelites. They are known in Judaism as the Habiru.

The only source you have is the Bible. That is insufficient to count as evidence.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Chas's post
13-03-2015, 02:27 PM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
(13-03-2015 09:45 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(13-03-2015 05:31 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Yep, they lose their entire slave population, they lose their entire livestock population, they lose all of the firstborn of Egypt and then the Pharaoh loses his army in pursuit of Moses and gang.
No one in Egypt cared to mention a thing about this? If we are to believe the Christian apologists excuse for this embarrassing non-mention of this, the Pharaoh supposedly banned any mention of his defeat. Yet wouldn't there be some mention of the trade disruption this would have caused? The fear of neighboring countries taking notice of Egypt's weakness? Nope, apparently the Pharaoh put on a giant officer Barbrady act, nothing to see here, move along.

[Image: barbrady.png]

You would think that there might have been some tombs that show a lot of kids with the same date of death that archeologists would've found. God was in a real demonstrating mood at that moment, you think god would've made sure there was some kind of tell-tale evidence that would leave us scratching our heads and pointing to this incredible series of events, but no, god does what he's best at, completely disappearing without leaving a trace of evidence, but apparently impressing the hell out of an entire nation in the distant past with zero evidence to back up any of these myths.

Your point is moot because it WAS mentioned by Egyptians. Moses was an Egyptian who documented all. And many Egyptians fled with him in the Exodus then joined the Israelites. They are known in Judaism as the Habiru.

Bible does not prove bible.Facepalm

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like TheInquisition's post
16-03-2015, 10:36 AM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
Nor do statements like "We KNOW the population of Ancient Egypt" help. It is much more reliable to use the Bible here, since it includes extensive, specific censuses and genealogies.

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
16-03-2015, 10:51 AM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
the bible contains data from am actual census ? citation please Dodgy

where does Q get this stuff from ?Huh
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Ace's post
17-03-2015, 12:00 PM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
(16-03-2015 10:51 AM)Ace Wrote:  the bible contains data from am actual census ? citation please Dodgy

where does Q get this stuff from ?Huh

You are likely thinking of the census in the days of Joseph and Mary that skeptics like to dispute. But you seem unaware of the census David called for, forbidden in the law, that gave counts and genealogies, and which brought wrath on Jerusalem, ended when there was a sacrifice at the place where the holy of holies came to rest! Very important stuff if a little Bible 101 for us.

Or if you like, Numbers 1:2 - Take a census of the whole Israelite community by their clans and families, listing every man by name, one by one.

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
17-03-2015, 06:07 PM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
(16-03-2015 10:36 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Nor do statements like "We KNOW the population of Ancient Egypt" help. It is much more reliable to use the Bible here, since it includes extensive, specific censuses and genealogies.

Like the geneology of Jesus which Matthew and Luke disagree on? The same book that claims that over 1 million people wandered the desert for half a century and yet left not a shred of archaeological evidence?

"If we are honest—and scientists have to be—we must admit that religion is a jumble of false assertions, with no basis in reality.
The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination."
- Paul Dirac
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes The Organic Chemist's post
17-03-2015, 07:32 PM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
(16-03-2015 10:36 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Nor do statements like "We KNOW the population of Ancient Egypt" help. It is much more reliable to use the Bible here, since it includes extensive, specific censuses and genealogies.

Utter nonsense! The bible is mere literature and that's how any serious biblical scholar views it.

Here's a graph of the population that was estimated in ancient Egypt:

[Image: egypt-population-growth.gif]

It estimates around 3 million people around the 1500 BC time frame.

The people of ancient Egypt

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-03-2015, 10:10 AM
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
I don't mind repeating about the Habiru--the mass of Egyptians who vamoosed with the Israelites, were circumcised and added, etc. but now you are saying if you accept a conservative date for the Exodus that it was impossible for a population of 3 million to provide and Exodus of 600,000 Jewish men and whichever of their families survived the purgings that brought on the Exodus... really?

And although your chart looks lovely, was it made via census takers going back in time machines to some of the key dates or was it made of estimates, the way we both know it was? And were Butzer's estimates, do you think, as "spot on" as say, recent American censuses with all our technology? Wink

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-03-2015, 02:17 PM (This post was last modified: 18-03-2015 07:47 PM by TheInquisition.)
RE: The Worst Religious Holiday - EVER!!!!!!
(18-03-2015 10:10 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I don't mind repeating about the Habiru--the mass of Egyptians who vamoosed with the Israelites, were circumcised and added, etc. but now you are saying if you accept a conservative date for the Exodus that it was impossible for a population of 3 million to provide and Exodus of 600,000 Jewish men and whichever of their families survived the purgings that brought on the Exodus... really?

And although your chart looks lovely, was it made via census takers going back in time machines to some of the key dates or was it made of estimates, the way we both know it was? And were Butzer's estimates, do you think, as "spot on" as say, recent American censuses with all our technology? Wink

These Habiru intrigue me, where are you going with this? Or are you going to meander about like you did on the Noah thread without making a clear point?

Here's an excerpt about the Habiru from here: From Habiru To Hebrews

Quote:What this evidence suggests is that there must be a kernel of truth in the Torah account of Hebrew slaves fleeing Egypt and taking up residence in Canaan. However, most of the details of the story as it appears in the Torah are clearly legendary. According to the Torah, some 600,000 Hebrew men fled Egypt at the time of the Exodus. If we include women and children, plus the “mixed multitude” which was said to accompany them, we are left with at least one million people subsisting for forty years in a barren desert on food which fell from the sky. A more likely scenario would be a small band of Habiru slaves, numbering perhaps some hundreds, escaping Egypt and making a quick passage across the Sinai to link up with the Habiru already in control of the region around Shechem. Very possibly the Habiru fugitives from Egypt were in fact led by a man named Moses, but in any case they seem to have brought with them a new ideology which played a key role in the subseqent Habiru conquest of Canaan.

Not exactly the exaggerated story of Exodus, but far more believable without the ridiculous miracle claims.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply
Forum Jump: