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16-09-2015, 01:03 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 11:27 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(16-09-2015 10:00 AM)trevor_jennings Wrote:  So all im hearing from all of is that the universe came from absolutely nothing. I swear you guys have a really ignorant sense of mind and choose to not believe the obvious. The universe is way to complex to made from nothing...you guys are absurd Laughat

No one said it "came from nothing".To say "come from", (space)time had to ALREADY be in place. The statement "the universe came from" (anything), is therefore absurd, as spacetime was NOT in place until this universe formed. No one knows if/what the energy of this universe arose from. But the total energy of this universe is zero. ("0"). Gravity can have a negative energy, (which of course you didn't know as you are totally ignorant of science). So actually, if the total energy of the universe is zero, there is nothing to even talk about. Zero is nothing. Nothing came from nothing.



It would help a lot if you knew some science, and didn't use your gawd as a gap argument filler/place-holder for everything you have no explanation for. That's all you god is to you. A place-holder.

how do you time and space came to be. did it just appear??
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16-09-2015, 01:20 PM (This post was last modified: 16-09-2015 01:25 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 01:03 PM)trevor_jennings Wrote:  
(16-09-2015 11:27 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one said it "came from nothing".To say "come from", (space)time had to ALREADY be in place. The statement "the universe came from" (anything), is therefore absurd, as spacetime was NOT in place until this universe formed. No one knows if/what the energy of this universe arose from. But the total energy of this universe is zero. ("0"). Gravity can have a negative energy, (which of course you didn't know as you are totally ignorant of science). So actually, if the total energy of the universe is zero, there is nothing to even talk about. Zero is nothing. Nothing came from nothing.



It would help a lot if you knew some science, and didn't use your gawd as a gap argument filler/place-holder for everything you have no explanation for. That's all you god is to you. A place-holder.

how do you time and space came to be. did it just appear??

Who knows why the properties of this universe are the way they are. We know for a fact that order arises spontaneously (Chaos Theory : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory )

.... but whatever the answers turn out to be, not having an answer RIGHT NOW does not justify inserting the gap place-holder "oh, gawd must have done it".
"We don't know yet" is a legitimate answer.

If your god "exists", .... then it doesn't "not exist". As long at he "existed", "non-existence" also had to be a part of Reality. He can't have made the very Reality )both existence and non-existence, in which he MUST participate, only partially. There fore Reality is and always was larger than God. And therefore, God is the answer to nothing. Reality remains unexplained.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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16-09-2015, 01:21 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 10:00 AM)trevor_jennings Wrote:  So all im hearing from all of is that the universe came from absolutely nothing. I swear you guys have a really ignorant sense of mind and choose to not believe the obvious. The universe is way to complex to made from nothing...you guys are absurd Laughat

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(16-09-2015 11:27 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one said it "came from nothing".To say "come from", (space)time had to ALREADY be in place. The statement "the universe came from" (anything), is therefore absurd, as spacetime was NOT in place until this universe formed. No one knows if/what the energy of this universe arose from. But the total energy of this universe is zero. ("0"). Gravity can have a negative energy, (which of course you didn't know as you are totally ignorant of science). So actually, if the total energy of the universe is zero, there is nothing to even talk about. Zero is nothing. Nothing came from nothing.



It would help a lot if you knew some science, and didn't use your gawd as a gap argument filler/place-holder for everything you have no explanation for. That's all you god is to you. A place-holder.

how do you time and space came to be. did it just appear??


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16-09-2015, 01:25 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 01:03 PM)trevor_jennings Wrote:  
(16-09-2015 11:27 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one said it "came from nothing".To say "come from", (space)time had to ALREADY be in place. The statement "the universe came from" (anything), is therefore absurd, as spacetime was NOT in place until this universe formed. No one knows if/what the energy of this universe arose from. But the total energy of this universe is zero. ("0"). Gravity can have a negative energy, (which of course you didn't know as you are totally ignorant of science). So actually, if the total energy of the universe is zero, there is nothing to even talk about. Zero is nothing. Nothing came from nothing.



It would help a lot if you knew some science, and didn't use your gawd as a gap argument filler/place-holder for everything you have no explanation for. That's all you god is to you. A place-holder.

how do you time and space came to be. did it just appear??

No, God used Campbell's time and space soup mix and threw in a few stars as seasoning. Nuked it in the microwave for 5 seconds. Stirred then added plants, animals, and people (kind of like soup crackers).
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16-09-2015, 01:54 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 01:20 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  ...
Who knows why the properties of this universe are the way they are.
...

God knows!

It's odd, now I think about it. Even pre-teen, I knew that when someone said "God knows" they really meant "no one knows".

Therefore god = no one.

Sounds about right.

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16-09-2015, 02:05 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
In the inflationary theory, matter, antimatter, and photons were produced by the energy of the false vacuum, which was released following the phase transition. All of these particles consist of positive energy. This energy, however, is exactly balanced by the negative gravitational energy of everything pulling on everything else. In other words, the total energy of the universe is zero!

So yes, grasshopper, in essence, everything "came from" nothing. It's sometimes referred to as the ultimate free lunch. Go read up on some modern cosmology and you won't need a gawd of the gaps.
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16-09-2015, 02:19 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 01:25 PM)jennybee Wrote:  
(16-09-2015 01:03 PM)trevor_jennings Wrote:  how do you time and space came to be. did it just appear??

No, God used Campbell's time and space soup mix and threw in a few stars as seasoning. Nuked it in the microwave for 5 seconds. Stirred then added plants, animals, and people (kind of like soup crackers).

Did gawd go to universe cooking school, or just throw it together ?
Oh wait. He "designed it". Silly me.

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16-09-2015, 02:29 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 10:00 AM)trevor_jennings Wrote:  So all im hearing from all of is that the universe came from absolutely nothing. I swear you guys have a really ignorant sense of mind and choose to not believe the obvious. The universe is way to complex to made from nothing...you guys are absurd Laughat

Excellent information, I would LOVE to hear more, enter a debate with me so you can school me on all of this magic stuff you believe in! Clicky clicky below and start a new thread "Trevor challenges GWG to a debate!"

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16-09-2015, 02:31 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 01:03 PM)trevor_jennings Wrote:  
(16-09-2015 11:27 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one said it "came from nothing".To say "come from", (space)time had to ALREADY be in place. The statement "the universe came from" (anything), is therefore absurd, as spacetime was NOT in place until this universe formed. No one knows if/what the energy of this universe arose from. But the total energy of this universe is zero. ("0"). Gravity can have a negative energy, (which of course you didn't know as you are totally ignorant of science). So actually, if the total energy of the universe is zero, there is nothing to even talk about. Zero is nothing. Nothing came from nothing.



It would help a lot if you knew some science, and didn't use your gawd as a gap argument filler/place-holder for everything you have no explanation for. That's all you god is to you. A place-holder.

how do you time and space came to be. did it just appear??

Nope, the creator of all life, the great and powerful Norrg, who resides inside hollow Neptune made EVERYTHING! He simply mixed unicorn flatulence with fairy dust and bigfoot saliva in the great sky cauldron and voila! life. Yes

What's your story? Angel

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"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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16-09-2015, 02:56 PM
RE: The actual truth about how the universe came into play
(16-09-2015 10:00 AM)trevor_jennings Wrote:  So all im hearing from all of is that the universe came from absolutely nothing. I swear you guys have a really ignorant sense of mind and choose to not believe the obvious. The universe is way to complex to made from nothing...you guys are absurd Laughat

We know that the biblical god can't be the god you're talking about because the bible says the Earth was created in a day- clearly false.

It says god created light before the sun -false and blatantly stupid.

It also says the stars were created in a day- clearly false.

It says the sun was created after the Earth -clearly false.

It says humans lived for hundreds of years- clearly false.

It says plants were created on the third day before the sun and moon-clearly false.

It says birds were created along with the animals in the sea-clearly false.

It says grass was created before animals-clearly false, grass did not appear until the Eocene 54 mya.

We're barely out of the first chapter of Genesis and the bible has already proved to be an absurd myth.

Maybe you can comprehend why scientists decided to set aside the bible and look for actual answers instead of the laughably silly myths of the bible as an explanation for anything.

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