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29-04-2016, 09:00 PM
RE: The aeiral warfare thread.
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01-05-2016, 08:12 PM
RE: The aeiral warfare thread.
No good discussion of air to mud birds can happen without mention of this bird.

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Designed based on experiences in Vietnam which demanded a dedicated anti tank / close air support aircraft, it is the most capable attack aircraft of all time; the philosophy of firepower, simplicity, and survivabiliy produced an armored, flying gun. A slow sled with 8 tonnes of bombs, missiles, and 1300 rounds of depleted uranium 30mm cannon ammunition, it can loiter over FLOT lines indefinitely with tanker support and is utterly devastating against tank columns and dug in defenders, pillboxes, etc. Every general and bureaucrat who managed it hated it, but every pilot who flew it and every soldier or Marine under its protection loved it. The distinctive whistle of its turbofan engines are known to make Taliban and ISIL units flee from the fight. Long live the mighty A-10 Warthog!

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02-05-2016, 05:20 PM
RE: The aeiral warfare thread.
They're going to have an A-10/F-35 shoot-out, to see if the F-35 really does replace the Warthog. It will be fun to observe.
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02-05-2016, 08:18 PM
RE: The aeiral warfare thread.
(02-05-2016 05:20 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  They're going to have an A-10/F-35 shoot-out, to see if the F-35 really does replace the Warthog. It will be fun to observe.

I wish I could say it would be a fair competition, but my money is on some staged bullshit which bears no resemblance to real warfare. Something like an F-35 can drop JDAMs, an A-10 can't; therefore an F-35 is better. I want to see an F-35 down in the weeds, take a direct hit from an ZSU-23 and still keep flying. And also operate at $18000 per flight hour with a 95% mission readiness like an A-10 can from a dirt strip, flying round the clock, stopping only to refuel, rearm and for major maintenance. Then I might consider an F-35 worthy to replace the Warthog.

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02-05-2016, 08:25 PM
RE: The aeiral warfare thread.
It has the potential to be a neat competition for sure, but I don't doubt there is an agenda. The A-10 is so loved by the ground pounders that it can't be retired without first being discredited, so to speak. Announcement of its impending retirement has pissed off a lot of loyal fans.

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09-05-2016, 01:06 PM
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10-05-2016, 07:48 AM
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Got my ticket for the Duxford American wings airshow I'm really excited god I hope there's a P38 preferably flying but static will do Big Grin
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23-06-2016, 06:09 AM
RE: The aeiral warfare thread.
F86 vs Mig 15.

There are several points of view. The Soviets claim than Chinese and NTH Korean pilots were unsuitable for such pressures as the jet age.

The Americans claim up to a 9 to 1 kill ratio.

Soviet pilots claim either 4 to 1 or 2 to one, depends on the source. This means Soviet aces, not Korean or Chinese.

Wings of the Red Star has different numbers to other shows.

I do recall Chuck Yeager believing the Mig was a pilot killer and the F86 far better than the Mig. Interesting though that the Mig 17 could out turn any aircraft until the advent of the F16.

The Mig was half as light and far more heavily armed than the Sabre. One cannon shot could bring down a Sabre.

I suppose we will never know. Both amazing aircraft though.




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23-06-2016, 07:35 AM
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When the first MiG-15 pilot to desert and claim the reward delivered his plane to the USAF they gave it to Chuck Yeager to test. He flew an F-86 against it and won easily. Then they swapped planes and he won again.
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25-06-2016, 02:18 AM
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Much of my study of WWII warfare began with the RAF. As I read more and more and books were translated from German to English, I began heavy study of the Luftwaffe. Tolliver and Constable's books were also great. Especially about the German aces and their book on Erich Hartmann.

Unlike allied pilots, Luftwaffe pilots had no reprieve. They fought until they died or the war ended. As a result many kills were racked up. For example, the top scoring allied ace was Russian, Ivan Kozhedub with 62 victories. The top German was Hartmann with 352. He flew 1444 missions and entered combat more than 800 times.

I have the full list in a book, but found a list on the net. It is astounding. When we consider the Bf and Me 109 was produced in numbers up yo 36,000, it is easy to imagine the amount of kills that aircraft has. It's major losses were in landing accidents due to its narrow undercarriage.For example JG52 has the highest number, 12,000 plus kills. All on the 109. JG54 comes second with 10,000 plus using the 109 and FW 190.

Hauptmann Erich Hartmann..............352
Major Gerhard Barkhorn..................301 [NOTE} Barkhorn helped test the Hawker Harrier and had an accident on landing. He said "That is my 302nd allied aircraft I brought down"
Major Gunther Rall..........................275.
Oberleutnant Otto Kittel...................267
Major Walter Nowotny***...............258
Major Wilhelm Batz........................237
Major Erich Rudorffer......................222
Oberleutnant Heinrich Bar....................220
Oberst Hermann Graf.........................212
Major Theodor Weissenburger............208
Oberleutnant Hans Philipp...................206
Oberleutnant Walter Schuck................206
Major Heinrich Ehrler.........................204
Oberleutnant Anton Hafner.................204
Hauptmann Helmut Lipfert.................203
Major Walter Krupinski......................197
Major Anton Hackl............................193
Hauptmann Joachin Brendal..............189
Hauptmann Max Stotz.......................189
Hauptmann Joachim Kirschner...........188
Major Kurt Brandle...........................180
Oberleutnant Gunther Josten.............178
Oberst Johannes Steinhoff***..........176
Oberleutnant Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert......174
Hauptmann Gunther Schack..................174
Hauptmann Emil Lang..........................173
Hauptmann Hienz Schmidt...................173
Major Horst Ademeit..........................166
Oberst Wolf-Deitrich Wilcke................162
Hauptmann Hans-Joachim Marseille.....158
Hauptmann Heinrich Sturm..................158
Oberleutnant Gerhard Thyben..............157
Oberleutnant Hans Beisswenger..........152
Leutnant Peter Duttmann...................152
Oberst Gordon Gollob........................150
Leutnant Fritz Tegtmeier....................146
Oberleutnant Albin Wolf......................144
Leutnant Kurt Tanzer.........................143
Oberleutnant Freiderich-Karl Muller.....140
Leutnant Karl Gratz...........................138
Major Heinrich Setz...........................138
Hauptmann Franz Schall.....................137
Hauptmann Rudolf Trenkel.................137
Oberst Adolf Dickfeld........................136
Hauptmann Horst-Gunther von Fassong......136
Oberleutnant Otto Fonnekold......................136
Hauptmann Karl-Heinz Weber....................136
Major Joachim Muncheburg.......................135
Oberleutnant Hans Waldmann...................134
Major Johans Wiese.................................133
Alfred Grislawski......................................133
Major Adolf Borchers................................132
Major Erwin Clausen................................132
Hauptmann Wilhelm Lemke.......................131
Oberst Herbert Ihlefeld............................130
Oberleutnant Heinrich Steer......................130
Major Franz Eisenach..............................129
Oberst Walther Dahl...............................128
Hauptmann Franz Dorr.............................128
Leutnant Rudi Rademacher......................126
Oberleutnant Josef Zwernemann..............126
Leutnant Gerhard Hoffmann....................125
Oberst Dietrich Hrabak...........................125
Oberst Walter Oesau.............................125
Oberleutnant Wolf Ettal..........................124
Hauptmann Wolfgang Tonne...................122
Fj. Oberfeldwebel Heinz Marquardt..........121
Major Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufe.............121
Hauptmann Robert Weiss.......................121
Oberleutnant Freiderich Oblese...............120
Oberleutnant Erich Leie..........................118
Leutnant Franz Josef Beeren..................117
Leutnant Hans-Joachim Bir....................117
Leutnant Jacob Norz..............................117
Leutnant Heinz Wernicke.......................117
Oberleutnant August Lam......................116
Oberst Werner Molders........................115
Leutnant Wihelm Crinius..................114
Major Werner Schroer......................114
Leutnant Hans Dammers.................113
Leutnant Berthold Korts...................113
Oberleutnant Kurt Buhligen...............112
Oberst Helmut Lent........................110
Oberleutnant Franz Woidich.............110
Major Kurt Ubben...........................110
Major Reinhard Seiler.....................109
Hauptmann Emil Bitsch...................108
Major Hans Hahn...........................108
Oberst Gunther Lutzow..................108
Oberleutnant Bernhard Vechtel........108
Oberst Victor Bauer........................106
Hauptmann Werner Lucas...............106
Generalleutnant Adolf Galland**....104
Leutnant Heinz Sachsenberg..........104
Major Hartmann Grasser...............103
Major Siegried Freytag..................102
Hauptmann Friedrich Geishardt......102
Oberleutnant Egan Mayer..............102
Oberleutnant Max-Hellmuth Ostermann.....102
Oberleutnant Herbert Rollwage.................102
Major Josef Wurmheller...........................102
Hauptmann Rudolf Miethig........................101
Oberst Josef Priller..................................101
Ulrich Wernitz.........................................101

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This is an excellent book on this subject.

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