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17-05-2014, 06:00 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 05:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 05:54 PM)Leo Wrote:  What's evil according to you ?Facepalm

What the Bible says it is.

So...

Murdering babies and hamstringing horses isn't evil, but two people of the male variety fornicating and eating shellfish are abominations...

Not to mention obtaining knowledge being worthy of an entire species being cursed.

I question your sense of morality, sir if it is based on the bible.

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17-05-2014, 06:03 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
Hey jeremy please explain to us what the bible says about morality .
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17-05-2014, 06:04 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 05:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 05:54 PM)Leo Wrote:  What's evil according to you ?Facepalm

What the Bible says it is.

The Bible says it is one of God's creations.

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17-05-2014, 06:18 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 06:04 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 05:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  What the Bible says it is.

The Bible says it is one of God's creations.

No it does not.

In Isaiah 45:7 the scriptures state:

ז יוֹצֵר אוֹר וּבוֹרֵא חֹשֶׁךְ, עֹשֶׂה שָׁלוֹם וּבוֹרֵא רָע; אֲנִי יְהוָה, עֹשֶׂה כָל-אֵלֶּה. {פ}

First of all, the Hebrew word for evil, "rah," is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as "evil." The other 232 times it is translated as "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble." So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as "evil." This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as "calamity" by the NASB and NKJV; "disaster" by the NIV; and "woe" by the RSV.

Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7).

Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example,

"And the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11).
"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6).
Also, take note that Isaiah is presenting contrasts. He speaks of "light" and "darkness," "well being" and "calamity." The word "well-being" in the Hebrew is the word for 'peace,' "Shalome." So, in the context, we are seeing two sets of opposites: Light and dark, peace and non-peace, or well being and calamity. The "evil" that is spoken of is not ontological evil, but the evil experienced by people in the form of calamity.

From the above two verses (Exodus 4:11; Amos 3:6) we can see that the Lord is involved in calamity and problems in the earthly realm. Exodus 4:11 is speaking of human frailty and Amos 3:6 is speaking of woes in a city. It is not a moral evil that God brings, but calamity and distress upon people.





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17-05-2014, 06:21 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 06:00 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 05:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  What the Bible says it is.

So...

Murdering babies and hamstringing horses isn't evil, but two people of the male variety fornicating and eating shellfish are abominations...

Not to mention obtaining knowledge being worthy of an entire species being cursed.

I question your sense of morality, sir if it is based on the bible.

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17-05-2014, 06:22 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 05:59 PM)Leo Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 05:55 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  What the Bible says it is.

What the bible says ?

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17-05-2014, 06:26 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 06:22 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 05:59 PM)Leo Wrote:  What the bible says ?

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17-05-2014, 06:26 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 05:54 PM)Leo Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 05:49 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  And according to you, such arguments are moot because evil does not exist.

Consider

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What's evil according to you ?Facepalm

Why the face palm? Evil does not exist. There for I do not have a definition of a fake motion such as that.

Evil Does Not Exist. Period.

There are laws that are dictated by society and that society is dictated by many factors such as the inner personal morals and traditions. When like traditions come together and like inner moral codes are structured and compared to one another. You have a majority vote that creates the laws in which all people must follow as voted on by the people or those in control of the government system and then they are implemented and enforced.

Over time, the inner moral codes of people change with the passage of time and that has a effect on tradition. Many traditions die out simply because the collection of inner moral codes to not match up with it anymore. That is majorly why we do not have slavery in the United States anymore in addition to beating the south. Now, no one in the south except maybe some extremists do not agree with slavery.

Evil is simply when someone breaks a law that is placed down by this simple and yet complex method of how civilizations work.

Evil in of itself is nothing more then a construct of humanity and there for Evil to me is nothing because it does not exist. There is only law and breaking law. Nothing more.


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17-05-2014, 06:30 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 06:26 PM)Leo Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 06:22 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I am a Divine Command Theorist. Yes. What the Bible says. Drinking Beverage

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17-05-2014, 06:31 PM
RE: The argument from evil proves that the world is horrible?
(17-05-2014 06:26 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 05:54 PM)Leo Wrote:  What's evil according to you ?Facepalm

Why the face palm? Evil does not exist. There for I do not have a definition of a fake motion such as that.

Evil Does Not Exist. Period.

There are laws that are dictated by society and that society is dictated by many factors such as the inner personal morals and traditions. When like traditions come together and like inner moral codes are structured and compared to one another. You have a majority vote that creates the laws in which all people must follow as voted on by the people or those in control of the government system and then they are implemented and enforced.

Over time, the inner moral codes of people change with the passage of time and that has a effect on tradition. Many traditions die out simply because the collection of inner moral codes to not match up with it anymore. That is majorly why we do not have slavery in the United States anymore in addition to beating the south. Now, no one in the south except maybe some extremists do not agree with slavery.

Evil is simply when someone breaks a law that is placed down by this simple and yet complex method of how civilizations work.

Evil in of itself is nothing more then a construct of humanity and there for Evil to me is nothing because it does not exist. There is only law and breaking law. Nothing more.

Ok bro. I get your point.

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