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14-03-2011, 12:43 PM
 
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
I feel for ya. My family's on the same route, but they're much more accepting. It's more that they're all rather dumb and bad at arguing their points though, so they avoid debating with me as much as possible since each time we've argued about this, I end up shaking their beliefs a little.

You could go about it one of two ways; ignore it or respond to it. The way I am, I'd just be incapable of being spoken to like that without giving a response and justifying my view. But that leads to confrontation and maybe even more annexing from the family.
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14-03-2011, 01:16 PM
 
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
(13-03-2011 02:20 PM)cfhmagnet Wrote:  
(13-03-2011 01:59 PM)GassyKitten Wrote:  Your uncle bringing to the fore an Abraham Lincoln paraphrase of the King Solomon wisdom afforded in Proverbs, is one hell of a back handed method employed with the full intention of shutting you up. Perhaps he'd best follow his own sloganized advice next time, if he claims to love you later.

What supports your point of view in such matters is the lie proffered in the New Testament, that is excused, pardoned or outright ignored by believers and apologist Christians.

If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)


(More "Jesus Lied" @ Evil Bible)

No doubt the people in Japan prayed to be saved or spared from the 9.0 earthquake that ended the world as they knew it. Those who drowned, were about to be crushed to death by falling debris hoping they could get away in time to avoid such a fate, prayed and bargained to be rescued by anything they believed was listening.
Nothing was. Nothing ever is. Nothing ever has. Putting faith in nothing, when putting faith in self is considered one of the 7 deadly sins and something to be saved from in and of itself, is the damnation that plagues most of the worlds population.

And if it's a matter of remaining silent, else speaking removes all doubt one is a fool, then preachers the world over should remain mute. And the Bible should have never been inked.

From cover to cover that historic fiction depicts a sadistic, serial killer voyeur who demands to be feared else one shall be deemed unwise and face the consequences for such ignorance. Oh how many lives are laid at the foundation of such lies, deception and premeditated intent to murder the intellect.

Fuck God, Holy Ghost and Jesus too!
*looks around* Yep, I'm still here.
And if they were there at all, that simply would not be. (Leviticus 24:23)
Wow, I have never read such an angry post from you GK. Angry, and well put. Glad to see that John 15:7 quote, I was not originally acquainted with that one.

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I think anger is justified, when some Christians espouse this faith in an all loving god and a peace filled savior and then turn around and disrespect others who's faith is not their own.
I think it's the height of hubris to imagine the worlds people are damned, each and every one, before each and every one makes account to a knocking Proselytizer trespassing so as to beg the question that only has relevance to themselves; have you heard of the testament of Jesus Christ?

A question that evolved into a quest, as countless missionaries travel the world under the umbrella of humanitarianism only to arrive in those distant lands on the mission of informing the population that their religious or spiritual traditions, lived and honored for thousands of years before anyone gave life to the myth of a dead Jew, is wrong, property of the Devil the new arrival religion's god gave birth to, and as a consequence those foreign faithful and all those generations before that have since passed away are burning in the Hell omni-benevolence created. Because it chose to create the penalty for being exactly as created by the only god worthy of respect, before it chose to change it's mind and manifest itself as a token get out of Hades free card, because it suddenly realized sadistic Omniscience was no longer amused by re-runs.

What with the bloody history Christianity has written for nearly 3 thousand years,exampling in it's teachings intolerance,Misogyny, homophobia, fascism, infanticide, genocide and slavery, anger is simply common sense afforded by those paying attention.

Tolerance is highly over rated.

We're fed that word, "Tolerance",day in and day out now days. We're told we have to learn tolerance, to tolerate people's differences, to tolerate gay's having equal rights, etc... And all the while that one word is accepted and promoted as the balm, the salve, to help make the chaotic world a better place.

"Can't we all just get along?"


Well, no!

Because that one word, Tolerance, is afforded as a surrender, a compromise, in the face of something that is wholly otherwise unbearable. It's the commandment to put up with what one would otherwise not. Because one does not have to tolerate that which they are in accord with. Tolerance is only afforded in the face of something objectionable and yet must be put up with, so as to pander to that and/or those who demand to be tolerated despite how personally repulsive someone finds them, their behavior(s), to be.

The Doctor, in the OP, doesn't have to worry about losing his family because of his personal beliefs. According to what they've already told him to his face, in their eyes they've already lost him! Verbal abuse isn't love. And it sure isn't how one examples themselves to be a disciple of a loving god who's one omni~characteristic is said to be benevolence.

Those faithful, who treat a family member the way certain of those members of Doctors family treated him, are the worst example of living in the light of a loving god. Hate, anger, on their part doesn't show they're devout. It shows they're deeply insecure. And completely dishonorable, because they'll turn their hate onto a family member for daring to live his personal life, one that sustains him in happiness, contrary to their approval or respect.
Were that me, I'd have looked each one of them in the eye and said boldly and with conviction so they knew I was dead on serious. I now officially consider myself an orphan. Have a better life!

And I'd have walked out of that house, and never looked back. It's their hell, let them sweat crisping in it because their omniscient god found them worthy before they were a tickle in their daddies balls. Respect works both ways. One doesn't have to tolerate disrespect because it couches itself in a religion who's faithful imagine must be tolerated.


When we see stickers and tee-shirts that advertise, "Coexist" and we literally buy into that, we're ignorant. Because the tenets of some faith traditions denegrate tolerance of others not like unto them. The dogmatic zeal to which some of faith cleave does not espouse coexistence, but rather conversion! Saying quite forthrightly that until the whole world believes as they do, there shall not be peace. There shall not be tolerance and as a consequence coexistence, which implies mutual respect, is not possible.

There's nothing quite so arrogant as someone who believes an invisible friend not only polices everything they do, but loves them best of all.
So when someone of that ilk expects the faith they hold that inspires them to that level of intolerance and disrespect for all people, to receive respect without question they're naive!

When they feel entitled to denigrate others, especially a family member, for not following in the hoof prints of the rest of the flock, they're weak, insecure and pathetic.
And that's just one deficit in a long list that includes the aforementioned negative characteristics that are almost innate in many Christians. And for those who commit to such behaviors thinking they're entitled because they're imbued with god's grace as his most special one's and sponsored to the dysfunctional behavior under the protection of the first amendment, the atheist is just as free to be angry about that. And say so just as boldly and deliberately as those who claim we're damned because we refuse to sacrifice our intellect to the myth that a Jewish zombie will save us from itself, as long as we join the dunk a sinner club and then engage in mock cannibalism ritual in order to strike a covenant that we really really mean it, when we accept on faith an invisible friend with multiple personality disorder loves us best. Wink
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14-03-2011, 01:48 PM (This post was last modified: 14-03-2011 02:02 PM by The Doctor.)
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
Well I did talk too my mother. Things are going to be ok as long I don't let them hear my atheist ideas.

She was at first. Saying that I should have a better way of debating religion. Also I was setting a bad example for Buddhists. Because my cousin (who got me into Buddhism) was never this way.

My response:
Quote:Buddhists are allowed too debate and disagree. Heck in the Buddha teaches it is ok too disagree with the Buddha teachings as long he or she has logical facts to prove Buddha was wrong. We can disagree with other religions as long are facts are logical and not lies. I have never insulted anyone and never told a lie. I gave examples to back my statements up.

*name withdrawn* always been a quite one. If she likes to be that way then it will be ok.

I have told them some facts and I want logical answers. I can accept that they believe that way, but if they want to talk to me and debate. Then they must respond with some reason and not just because I told so.

If you like if I do post anymore stuff like this I will block all family members who do not want to be offended.

As the post I made. Yes, I admit it was a bit confrontational, but it was in response too all the postings of others saying it must be god's good plan. I can not support this logic.

I am sorry if I hurt you all in anyway.

Love, Adam

At least she now understands how I come too this.

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14-03-2011, 01:51 PM (This post was last modified: 14-03-2011 01:54 PM by Lilith Pride.)
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
Wonderful words Gassy. I've hated the word tolerance for a long time. Being tolerant of something is pointless. Being tolerant of a gay person doesn't mean you like them more or anything it just means you don't spit in their face. Before tolerance we should promote education. Tolerance has always been a load of shit, especially the religious kind. And I don't mean Christianity should be taught in school, I mean we could ask people to take a world religions class and demand they be introduced to multiple faiths. That way when all the Christian kids go to catholic schools to avoid the horrible threat of world religions classes damning their children to hell, the rest of the children get somewhere.

I actually did divorce myself from half my family at 17 years old, because they expected of me something that was contradictory to my life.

I understand how hard it is for you Doctor since you're trying to maintain your ties with your family. But they can't blame you for these things. If your family was not willing to accept you living a life for you then that's their fault not yours. It was not wrong for you to inform them of your issues, and most likely the comment that sprung this argument was not a hate filled one.

Recently I was a guest speaker for a college where I speak from time to time. I asked what class it was to the teacher and he stated "human sexuality, well we now call it human reproduction". So my response was simply does that mean I shouldn't be here? There's a large chance I can't reproduce and the country I live in feels I should be castrated before being given any rights. I found this a very strange anecdote so I shared it with my parents (they are separated). My dad apparently wasn't aware that I was being asked to be castrated so he got furious, but I didn't really say anything all important just a little anecdote.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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14-03-2011, 02:01 PM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2011 01:11 PM by The Doctor.)
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
If you all are curious here it is:

Adam
The events in Japan remind me why there is no god.

James tentacle porn finally killed your faith?
Cathi Faulty logic.
Gilad Catastrophic events are not the proof or disproof of any God. He could be a mean, evil and sadistic God.
Cathi True, or he could have his own unknown reasons for what happens with natural disasters in our world.
Adam there can only be two reasons. 1. There is no reason. Bad things happen no matter what. 2. God is just one massive dick. Who should not recieve our support. I choose one.
Gilad Or, 3) you don't know his plan, perhaps these people were sent to a better place, maybe this earthquake served another purpose, etc. etc... or he's a dick, yeah. I care not, either way.
Cathi Again Adam... severely flawed logic. Whether you're right or wrong, your logic has large gaps.
Adam what is god's purpose then? The kind god of the new testement would never do this. unless it's the god of the torah. Where he killed a man who touch the ark becuse the man held the ark was about too fall off a bumping kart.
Adam then god will be a dick then
Cathi What else do you expect god to do then? Never let anyone die ever again?
Adam Technically yes, supposedly back in the old testament. People lived for 600-800 years.

I wish people will stop believe god did this stuff. Remember the usage of gods was an excuse to understand the world around them. Like for example god vengeance on King David because of the census he had taken. According too legend. God commanded a census of the people to King David. King David did it but god was angry. David had to pick one of three consequences. David picked a plagued that killed tens of thousands of his own people.

Why a plague? According to apologetics explanation. King David wanted to suffer as well so he picked it so it was more honorable.

In reality, it was more like a natural plague happen. Since no one know about germs back then. They created story to understand what happen.
Tim Ok , Adam here is why i say there is a God and he allows people to suffer couple resons 1. Genesis 2:15-17 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and to take care of it . And the LORD God commanded the man , " You are free to eat of any tree in the garden ; but you must not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die ". Reason 2. God allows suffering cause for instance when Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil . thus Sin was allowed into the world along with suffering so before you go saying The events in japan remind me why there is no GOD take into consideration that the BIBLE is more than a bunch of stories of "myths or ledgends " commprised into a book that i mind you is and has been on the top 10 best seling books for nuemerous years in a row it is much more than a book of "myths or ledgends " it is a book of People that GOD has used throughout Biblical times to to spread the Word of GOD so that Gods kingdom can flourish and prosper and so that you and people that dont beleive in him can come to know Christ and live in eternity with him .
Adam Oh Tim....

Original sin does not apply. In Genesis 3:14-19, god never lays the curse of original sin. Jesus never says anything about original sin. The idea was invented by Paul in Romans.

"The events in japan remind me why there is no GOD take into consideration that the BIBLE is more than a bunch of stories of "myths or ledgends " commprised into a book that i mind you is and has been on the top 10 best seling books for nuemerous years in a row it is much more than a book of "myths or ledgends " it is a book of People that GOD has used throughout Biblical times to to spread the Word of GOD so that Gods kingdom can flourish and prosper and so that you and people that dont beleive in him can come to know Christ and live in eternity with him ."

Don't give me that Bible is the best selling book in the world. It doesn't really consider evidence for a debate. Most religious books are giving away for free so it doesn't matter.

Remember Tim, the Bible was written by men to understand the world around them. Also the bible was used for political reasons to promote a Kingdom.
Tim Ok , Adam the the Bible was written to help people in the present and future to know and learn about GOD and the idea of sin was not invented by Paul in romans it was brought into thew world by Eves listening to teh serpent a.k.a. The devil who tricked and deceived Eve into eating from the tree that God had commanded them Not to eat from so there is your " Original sin " right there .
Adam Do you really take the Genesis story literally?
Adam Please don't tell me you are a young Earth creationist.
Tim No i am not a " young earth creationist" I Adam am A BELIVER IN JESUS CHRIST and i take the entire bible literally
Adam Then it does not compute. You can't take the bible literally and believe in the old Earth theory. The only way to think the old Earth theory is too support the idea that the creation mythos is just a mythos to explain the world.

How Tim do you explain the lack or no evidence of the Israelites in Egypt?

How do you explain the many of contradictions in the bible?
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Tim The bible is based upon things that happend throughout history . The Bible clearly does not say Man was created in the image of Monkey or the image of ape But Clearly Says " Man was created in the image of GOD" . Adam you think all your little tidbits you are throwing at me might scare me and make me back down But i got some info for you It doesn't I am a firm beleiver in GOD and what on earth is old earth theory? i beleive in God and his word the bible and i take the bible very literally .
Mom Adam you are begining to scare me here. I think you need to go back and start reading the bible and going to church again, where did what we taught you go. We never know what God's plans are, what happen in Japan does not mean there is no God, he must have his reasons for what happen. I am living proof there is a God or I would not be here, two years ago, he sent me in the right direction for all the Dr's who could save my life and I believe that with all my heart.
Tim Ok dude 1 i am not a creationist i take the entire bible literally even like i take alll parts of the bible literally the same ammount . i dnt take one part more lireall than the other part so before you go calling me a creationist think before you speak please . I Am a CHRISTIAN not a creationist .
Adam You are quite mistaken. We are cousin to monkeys. We just share one common ancestor.

I am not trying to scare you or anything. I want you to think with logic and reason. I want you too open your mind and not be a slave to ignorance.

Have you every read the bible word by word and fully understand it?

Also I highly recommend to research the writers of the bible and study how the bible was created. Also read the books that were not put in the bible.
Tim WOAH WOAH WOAH 2 things 1 the writers of the bible were either prophets of Jesus or followers of jesus and 2 there are no secret books of the Bible . therefore we are back to you logic is massively flawed . and i am focusing on genesis Because that is when Sin and pain and suffering entered the world because Adam & Eve broke teh ONE and only Commandment God had set for them " Dont eeat fromm the tree of the knowledge of good and evil : for if you do you will surely die ". and what did Adam & Eve do theyy ate from it because they were tempted by Satan and thus again i say Sin entered the world and Pain and Suffering soon there after now before you call people creationist's Take into consideration that they may just be tryin to prove a point and they are acctually CHRISTIANS all i am doind by focusing on Genesis is i am trying to prove to you that God allows pain and suffering Because of the Original sin commited by Adam & Eve back in the garden of eden when God created the earth yes i beleive in creation but that does not make me a creationist it just proves that i beleive that my God created the world so that we can live with him in eternity .
James Nobody has comments on tentacle porn? Also I like Islam because there is no original sin.
Adam ‎"WOAH WOAH WOAH 2 things 1 the writers of the bible were either prophets of Jesus or followers of jesus and 2 there are no secret books of the Bible ."

The Torah was probably written by 4-5 different people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

The Torah was never written by Moses as said in the Bible. How could Moses write his own death?

Ever heard of the Gnostic Christians?
They believed in several other books of Jesus:
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Truth
Gospel of Phillip
Gospel of Judas

Some of these books were never added for cultural and political reasons.

The current bible was developed at the Council of Jamnia and the Council of Nicaea.

BBC did a great documentary on "Who wrote the bible?"
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/who-wrote-bible/

History did a good one too: "Banned from the Bible"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVCIyxVSAHQ

A You Tube User did a great video based off the book: "The History of God"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0345384563

You don't need evil to cause suffering because there IS no evil. The world is actually a world of gray. When you look at it.

Why should people suffer because of what two people did? Is god still really that mad at us?
Adam I don't think it was tentacle porn. The FSM would never do such too the poor Japanese.
Cathi Adam, I think you've said maybe one or two things here that were impartial and weren't influenced by or mixed with your own opinion. You talk about others being a slave to ignorance, but I haven't seen much evidence that you've actually given the opposition any real objective thought.

And for the record, I happen to be a "young earth creationist"... so let's see you now disregard what I say based on your obvious disdain for those opinions and beliefs. Smile
David Best to be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I am tired of your ignorant diatribes. You are an embarrassment to the entire family. Man, I thought Charlie Sheen was bad, you make him look good. Good bye, Adam.
James I know him from a webforum where he used to be a super militant republican. We were all shocked when he revealed he had "changed." I think he hasn't changed as a person so much as found a new cause to be irrationally militant about.
Adam Also note I was an closet Atheist for years. It's finally good to finally come out.
James Yeah but there is nothing inherent about Religion. I'm not a particularly strong person of faith but if asked at gunpoint to pick *something* I'd call myself Christian. I'm a Mid Eeast studies major. You can't study the region without studying the religion a little bit. Nothing you've said is new to me. Nothing you've said also convinces me that I should stop believing in God in some fashion. So the Bible was written by a lot of different people. So we evolved from fish?

On a related note which story in Genesis do you take literally? Because there are two and they conflict.
James Addendum: The point of my last question is to think critically. You can be a Christian, thick critically about the text, and still believe the underlying message: that God is God and Jesus is the salvation of man.
Adam True, I believe Jesus was a real person who wanted to change the system of Judaism that he was living with. I can not accept anything from the New Testament is fully as fact. Because majority of the books were created 40-50 years of his death.
Evan Sorry, but there is just no evidence at all for the existence of a god. None at all. No this does not disprove it, but you should not give up reason and logic and so easily be able to say oh it is gods plan. Oh it was their time. Life has no intrinsic value or meaning. We are chemical machines. We fear death naturally and over history have created 1000s of pretty stories to ease our fears. I am sorry but ignorance is not bliss. It is just as likely that a unicorn that is both pink and invisible spit us out in order to do its biding that the god from your religious doctrine created us and has some unknown plan for us. Sure the incident in Japan does not disprove a god, but I can understand how it would strengthen ones disbelief. Why do you not go yell at the idiots saying Japan deserved this?


That was part one.

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14-03-2011, 02:03 PM
 
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
(14-03-2011 01:48 PM)The Doctor Wrote:  Well I did talk too my mother. Things are going to be ok as long I don't let them hear my atheist ideas.
I wonder, does the door swing both ways on this? I.E. Will they not allow themselves to cause you to hear their Theist ideas?

As it stands it sounds like she's forewarning you that you'll be tolerated if you aren't your whole true self. Nothing like installing a closet in the family so that you can enter in, by invitation if you want peace of mind.

I was always forthright with my family. Whatever beliefs I held. My mom and dad knew me well enough to know I would never enter into a closet. Relatives aren't entitled to know, unless it comes up. I don't preface conversations with; I'm a .... nor do they. It's personal and we live it that way. But if it ever came up, those who know me know I'd be more than happy to be myself. It's all I can do. I don't have much longer to live, given every day of my life brings me closer to the last one. I'm not here to impress anyone. I'm here to live me, the best way I know how.
That's how I see everyone else as well. And if part of that living includes waxing as the occasional asshole now and then, bravo to all so inclined including myself. For that too shall pass. Tongue


Quote:She was at first. Saying that I should have a better way of debating religion. Also I was setting a bad example for Buddhists. Because my cousin (who got me into Buddhism) was never this way.

My response...
I actually like that point of view. As if the conflict you encountered may be taken as an opportunity to strengthen your own points when you feel inspired to explain your path.
You don't have to debate your faith, because it's not debatable. It's your own and you live it. By definition then your faith, for you, is not in question, or doubtful or in dispute.
Debate occurs when others see your faith as in question, doubtful and worthy of dispute according to the tenets of their own personal beliefs.
The one's for whom your Buddhism would be debatable are those who don't respect your belief in Buddhism. It's your personal choice. You don't have to debate anything. Wink
I wish you strength and resolve, Adam. Smile
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14-03-2011, 03:25 PM
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I'm pretty much still in the closet with my views so I can't really relate yet. However, having been raised a Jehovah's Witness I know all about being lectured about god after I left.

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14-03-2011, 05:10 PM
 
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
(14-03-2011 02:03 PM)GassyKitten Wrote:  
(14-03-2011 01:48 PM)The Doctor Wrote:  Well I did talk too my mother. Things are going to be ok as long I don't let them hear my atheist ideas.
I wonder, does the door swing both ways on this? I.E. Will they not allow themselves to cause you to hear their Theist ideas?

I doubt it.

I got told I don't know anything about logic and that burden of proof doesn't exist in this house because it is theirs, and they make the rules.

At that point I was like, "what?"
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14-03-2011, 07:07 PM (This post was last modified: 14-03-2011 07:19 PM by Laxion.)
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
Pretty dam tough situation you got there, my parents honestly don't cares bout religion, or what I believe in, so it was way easier here to become an atheist, and not be in the closet.

I remember watching fightingatheist videos I think, about telling your parents your an atheist. Or was it from somewhere else. Well anyways...

1. Would you rather have me pretend that I do believe in god ?
2. Would you still love me if I don't believe in god ?
Edit: I got the video now Tongue
How to tell your Religious Parents you are Atheist/Agnostic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXDy1gVcW...ideo_title

If they won't love you if you don't believe in god, I think it says, maybe you are better off without them.

and my personal own ideas.
Religion is nothing more than a belief, it relies on faith, there is no evidence or claims it can make. It can never be regarded as truth.

just some advice/ideas.

Edit 2:earth quakes are cause by tectonic plates colliding with each other.
love national geogprahic, and all those science channels/ organizations Big Grin
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14-03-2011, 07:24 PM (This post was last modified: 14-03-2011 07:33 PM by The Doctor.)
RE: The bad thing being an out of the closet atheist.
(14-03-2011 02:03 PM)GassyKitten Wrote:  I wonder, does the door swing both ways on this? I.E. Will they not allow themselves to cause you to hear their Theist ideas?

As it stands it sounds like she's forewarning you that you'll be tolerated if you aren't your whole true self. Nothing like installing a closet in the family so that you can enter in, by invitation if you want peace of mind.


She is not a preacher, but I will respect her.


Quote:I actually like that point of view. As if the conflict you encountered may be taken as an opportunity to strengthen your own points when you feel inspired to explain your path.
You don't have to debate your faith, because it's not debatable. It's your own and you live it. By definition then your faith, for you, is not in question, or doubtful or in dispute.
Debate occurs when others see your faith as in question, doubtful and worthy of dispute according to the tenets of their own personal beliefs.
The one's for whom your Buddhism would be debatable are those who don't respect your belief in Buddhism. It's your personal choice. You don't have to debate anything. Wink

Well the Buddhism part. I was telling her that yes Buddhist have to love and respect others, but Buddhists don't have too support ignorance of others. Yet, we still have to love them and have compassion with them.

Quote:I wish you strength and resolve, Adam. Smile

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