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09-01-2012, 11:05 PM
RE: The big bang
(09-01-2012 10:19 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  I really appreciate you people responding to me and not calling me stupid or closed minded. It really means a lo to me :')

I believe that there are no stupid questions, and that the only stupid people are the ones that never ask any questions...so I would consider your IQ higher than the average.

My father was an engineer that worked in R&D in the aviation industry. (e.i. One of the things he worked on was the navigation system of the F-104 back in the 1960's) Not a stupid guy. But he believes in things like ghosts, ESP,etc... but he is still open to discussion with me on these subjects and does not pretend to KNOW that his opinion is the last word on these things.

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09-01-2012, 11:06 PM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2012 12:56 PM by Buddy Christ.)
RE: The big bang
(09-01-2012 10:39 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  I believe in science and I believe in God. I am for Intelligent Design and I believe the earth is only about 8,000 years old. I believe the Bible is my source for life and my brain is my source for understanding of the Bible and science and I believe they go together flawlessly. I don't see how something so complicated can come from something so incomplex. Forgive my spelling. It disagrees with the second law of thermodynamics, which is a scientific law and not just a theory. I believe science agrees with the Bible.

(flinches) God that paragraph was filled with madness. Seeing as how this is TTA's forum, here's a TTA video. I'm off for the night.







Quote:Would it not be safe to say Christians also come from Atheist lifestyles as well? I can think of C.S. Lewis and Josh McDowell right off the bat. I have been told I am very intelligent for my age but I suppose time will tell. And I don't see myself as not believing in God ever. If I ever do, I will probably kill myself. So, let's hope thaat doesn't happen.

Well everyone is born an atheist, so technically ALL Christians came from atheist lifestyles.

And you'll kill yourself without a god? I do believe that's the definition of chemical dependency. You're using the concept of god in the same way a drug is used. You should start weaning yourself off of it, little by little each day. Otherwise you will lose the power of choice and simply become a slave to an idea and all its mentally catastrophic ideologies.

You'll be holding "God loves dead soldiers" signs at veteran funerals, not because you want to, but because your God wants you to.

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09-01-2012, 11:10 PM
RE: The big bang
(09-01-2012 10:36 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  And as far as the bag of marbles analogy, they would have to be magnetic to each other to simulate gravity.

Yes, thank you.
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09-01-2012, 11:18 PM
RE: The big bang
(09-01-2012 10:39 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  I believe in science and I believe in God. I am for Intelligent Design and I believe the earth is only about 8,000 years old. I believe the Bible is my source for life and my brain is my source for understanding of the Bible and science and I believe they go together flawlessly. I don't see how something so complicated can come from something so incomplex. Forgive my spelling. It disagrees with the second law of thermodynamics, which is a scientific law and not just a theory. I believe science agrees with the Bible.

The only reason you can say these things is that you have little or no understanding of science.
Please get a real (non-religious) education before your brain withers and dies.

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09-01-2012, 11:27 PM
RE: The big bang
(09-01-2012 10:39 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  I don't see how something so complicated can come from something so incomplex.

Isn't God a simple explanation too? Should complication come from complicated things? Why is incomplex not acceptable just for being simple?
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09-01-2012, 11:28 PM
RE: The big bang
I'm sorry for semi-hijacking this, but I come to a point in an argument with someone about the big bang where I am no longer able to proceed. It's the famous "You can't make something from nothing." argument. I actually know very little on that subject so I don't know how to answer it. How DID the matter for the big bang become available?
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09-01-2012, 11:35 PM
RE: The big bang
(09-01-2012 11:28 PM)GwJ Wrote:  I'm sorry for semi-hijacking this, but I come to a point in an argument with someone about the big bang where I am no longer able to proceed. It's the famous "You can't make something from nothing." argument. I actually know very little on that subject so I don't know how to answer it. How DID the matter for the big bang become available?

There are several hypotheses; Google is your friend.

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10-01-2012, 12:06 AM
RE: The big bang
(09-01-2012 11:28 PM)GwJ Wrote:  I'm sorry for semi-hijacking this, but I come to a point in an argument with someone about the big bang where I am no longer able to proceed. It's the famous "You can't make something from nothing." argument. I actually know very little on that subject so I don't know how to answer it. How DID the matter for the big bang become available?

So he/she has a better answer!

Welcome to the "We don't know" club. Did the big bang happen as scientists theorize? IDK. Sticking GOD into the mix does not add anything to the argument. It is just used to just stop the discussion. When ever you see the word GOD just replace it with IDK and things will begin to make more sense.

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10-01-2012, 03:57 AM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2012 04:07 AM by RedDragon81.)
RE: The big bang
Quote:If there was a big bang wouldn't all the planets be spinning the same way.

Two quick examples:
Uranus rotates east to west. Uranus' rotation axis is tilted almost parallel to its orbital plane, so Uranus appears to be rotating on its side!
Newly discovered planet WASP-17 has a retrograde orbit [Circling in an opposing direction to its star's rotation]
Uranus and a retrograde orbit is almost certainly a sign of a planet's violent past, most likely dating to the planetary system's early days. Planets crashing into each other as new bodies are formed [e.g Our own Moon] Orbits of planets being disrupted and put out of place [e.g Pluto's orbit around Neptune] If this isn't enough evidence of a Big Bang I don't know what is! It's certainly not evidence of Intelligent Design. If God did it....then he did a very lousy job!
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10-01-2012, 08:40 AM
RE: The big bang
Weird Kid, if you think you will kill yourself if you lose your believe in a god, you have a very low self-rate.
Most of the people on my own forum (FreeThinker) are ex-Christians and none of them has the idea of suicide.
They all says that their life has improved better since they are not a Christian.

ps, English as not my native language, so sorry for the misspelling.

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