The cost of atheism
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27-08-2014, 10:46 AM
RE: The cost of atheism
(27-08-2014 10:33 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Can someone give me the gist of what this new guys believes about homosexuality?

He's confused about it. He has strong homosexual urges, but at the same time, thinks its morally wrong. So, he blames atheists. Drinking Beverage
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27-08-2014, 10:50 AM
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(27-08-2014 09:48 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(27-08-2014 09:46 AM)ChristianMan Wrote:  Thats a bold claim that you know more about the Bible and Christianity than I do. Are you sure about that?

Try me, fool. You picked the wrong dude.

This will be fun to watch ...

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27-08-2014, 10:54 AM
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(27-08-2014 08:40 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  We don't care what part of that book you quote. Muslims quote the Koran and Jews quote their books and all three come from the same line. Prior to any of them existing the Hebrews stole their characters from the Canaanite polytheism.

It never occurs to believers of any of the three that it is all merely in their heads and ancient books of myth have nothing to do with modern knowledge.

Brian, I dont understand your response here. I am asked questions about what the Bible says, which I answer, and you respond by saying that "we don't care what part of that book you quote" If you don't want answers then perhaps don't ask questions?
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27-08-2014, 10:54 AM
RE: The cost of atheism
(27-08-2014 10:50 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(27-08-2014 09:48 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Try me, fool. You picked the wrong dude.

This will be fun to watch ...

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27-08-2014, 11:00 AM
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(27-08-2014 09:47 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(27-08-2014 09:41 AM)ChristianMan Wrote:  Actually the church is very supportive of those who have abortions. You don't have to support the killing of the unborn in order to support those who suffer the tragedy of going through with such a thing.

So secondly your basis for saying everyone should be equal is that you think so. Well there are large parts of the world doesn't think so. That's kind of a problem for your atheism. I think your missing the elephant in the room.

On the one hand you want to destroy and cut down christianity that has offered objective morality. Objective here meaning outside of us. You are then left with corporate and social evolutionary subjective morality. But having removed objectivity you have no grounds to make and force other nations to agree with you, when they think differently. You have nothing to appeal to. You stand on quicksand.

Tell me plainly, why are you infallibly right about homosexuality and Russia and Islamic States completely wrong? Its rhetorical, as you have no answer.

It's "you're missing", not your. Hmm, Education much ?
Morality does not come from the gods. Another unsupported assertion. YOU morality is no more "objective" than anyone else's, and has CHANGED along with the morality of the cultures which produced it, and in which is exists.

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The opinions of some REAL scholars on the subject. None of which you can refute.

Bucky, diversion to my grammar will not hold as a valid answer to my question, to which of course you have no valid answer.

We have had a completed Bible for 2000 years now, unchanged. Why do you say we do not have a set moral standard? Do not murder, do no lie, do not steel, ring any bells? My stance here on homosexuality is based on the Bible, so I have no clue what you are on about.
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27-08-2014, 11:02 AM
RE: The cost of atheism
(27-08-2014 11:00 AM)ChristianMan Wrote:  
(27-08-2014 09:47 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It's "you're missing", not your. Hmm, Education much ?
Morality does not come from the gods. Another unsupported assertion. YOU morality is no more "objective" than anyone else's, and has CHANGED along with the morality of the cultures which produced it, and in which is exists.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...rah?page=2
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The opinions of some REAL scholars on the subject. None of which you can refute.

Bucky, diversion to my grammar will not hold as a valid answer to my question, to which of course you have no valid answer.

We have had a completed Bible for 2000 years now, unchanged. Why do you say we do not have a set moral standard? Do not murder, do no lie, do not steel, ring any bells? My stance here on homosexuality is based on the Bible, so I have no clue what you are on about.
So by the same token you are OK with the practice of slavery?


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27-08-2014, 11:05 AM
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(27-08-2014 10:44 AM)joben1 Wrote:  Christianman, what does moral mean to you?

It looks to me like it's something he receives from authority.

I'd infer from this that he can't yet ethically discern by himself, e.g. he's at pre-rational levels of moral development

If so, he probably won't be able to understand the possibility of ethical discernment without a moral rule book, since the possibility of doing that will be out of sight to him.

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27-08-2014, 11:08 AM
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(27-08-2014 11:05 AM)phil.a Wrote:  
(27-08-2014 10:44 AM)joben1 Wrote:  Christianman, what does moral mean to you?

It looks to me like it's something he receives from authority.

I'd infer from this that he can't yet ethically discern by himself, e.g. he's at pre-rational levels of moral development

If so, he probably won't be able to understand the possibility of ethical discernment without a moral rule book, since the possibility of doing that will be out of sight to him.

Phil

Yes, that's what I'm getting from him hence the question.
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27-08-2014, 11:09 AM
RE: The cost of atheism
(27-08-2014 10:54 AM)ChristianMan Wrote:  
(27-08-2014 08:40 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  We don't care what part of that book you quote. Muslims quote the Koran and Jews quote their books and all three come from the same line. Prior to any of them existing the Hebrews stole their characters from the Canaanite polytheism.

It never occurs to believers of any of the three that it is all merely in their heads and ancient books of myth have nothing to do with modern knowledge.

Brian, I dont understand your response here. I am asked questions about what the Bible says, which I answer, and you respond by saying that "we don't care what part of that book you quote" If you don't want answers then perhaps don't ask questions?

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Let me try again.

You do not get to, on a website you do not own, dictate the rules. We are not here to simply ask you questions. If you came here thinking that then maybe this is not the place for you.

Now again, see if you can spot the pattern.

"I am asked questions about what the Bible says,"
"I am asked questions about what the Koran says"
"I am asked about what the Torah and Talmud and OT say"
"I am asked about what the book of Frank says"

Our point is we do not care, you are not the only religion who makes the same argument nor are you the first. When you quote your book, or they quote their books, it is still called CIRCULAR REASONING. You are a big boy and looking up two words on google shouldn't over stress you.

Get back to us once you look "Circular reasoning " up then explain to us why you are magically doing something others are not doing.

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27-08-2014, 11:10 AM
RE: The cost of atheism
(27-08-2014 11:00 AM)ChristianMan Wrote:  
(27-08-2014 09:47 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It's "you're missing", not your. Hmm, Education much ?
Morality does not come from the gods. Another unsupported assertion. YOU morality is no more "objective" than anyone else's, and has CHANGED along with the morality of the cultures which produced it, and in which is exists.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...rah?page=2
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The opinions of some REAL scholars on the subject. None of which you can refute.

Bucky, diversion to my grammar will not hold as a valid answer to my question, to which of course you have no valid answer.

We have had a completed Bible for 2000 years now, unchanged. Why do you say we do not have a set moral standard? Do not murder, do no lie, do not steel, ring any bells? My stance here on homosexuality is based on the Bible, so I have no clue what you are on about.

Look at this clown. This is going to be a slaughter once GWOG and Bucky go all Divinity college on him. The Bible was completed 2000 years ago!!!!!! It was despite that fact that most of the books were not even written til the 2nd or even 3rd century. What an ignoramus. Ok I don't have to bother with this fool at all as he knows nothing about his faith or his book.

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