The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
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14-06-2016, 07:20 AM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
It's said with the strange arrogance of omniscience that always comes out like when spiritualist people try to defend ghosts or things saying, well Science can't explain everything... and one would know that proclamation how exactly?

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20-06-2016, 10:24 AM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
Needless to say my creationist fruitcake has not managed to provide anything at all to support his assertions:

“Science rules out ALL NATURAL, origin scenarios as impossible...."

“atheist naturalism (like the pagan naturalism which spawned it) is actually anti-science, because it disputes natural laws on which modern science and the scientific method is founded"

He's also failed to provide a definition of “The Law of Cause and Effect”

And he's failed to provide a definition of “Pagan Naturalism”

He has a bit of a track record with nutty stuff. In the past he's claimed:

*“The Law of Cause and Effect” was the scientific method.

*Dinosaurs lived in historical times – his “evidence” for this was a selection of half-baked websites, a debunked story from the 1920’s about a “sea monster” that turned out to be a decomposed whale carcass, some myths and a made-up story by two guys with fraudulent academic qualifications.

*Science proves that God exists – his evidence for this was……….duh……….nothing.

“Atheists have managed to hi-jack most of the scientific establishment to suit their ideological beliefs”

"Atheists have hijacked the BBC and mainstream media"

Ah, stupidism!

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27-06-2016, 08:56 PM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
(14-06-2016 02:36 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  What I find so laughable is when the idiot is stating that the origins of the universe are outside the remit of science,

That is absolutely true. There will never be a final say in cosmology. Science requires data, and the earliest data we will ever have is the cosmic microwave background that is currently thought to be radiation from the Big Bang. We will never know where the energy for the Big Bang came from, what, if anything, happened before the Big Bang, etc. etc. Anyone who tells you differently is simply full of shit.
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27-06-2016, 10:41 PM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
(27-06-2016 08:56 PM)u196533 Wrote:  
(14-06-2016 02:36 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  What I find so laughable is when the idiot is stating that the origins of the universe are outside the remit of science,

That is absolutely true. There will never be a final say in cosmology. Science requires data, and the earliest data we will ever have is the cosmic microwave background that is currently thought to be radiation from the Big Bang. We will never know where the energy for the Big Bang came from, what, if anything, happened before the Big Bang, etc. etc. Anyone who tells you differently is simply full of shit.

People have said that about all kinds of things that have now been explained.
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28-06-2016, 08:14 AM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
(27-06-2016 10:41 PM)Chas Wrote:  People have said that about all kinds of things that have now been explained.
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That is true, but in those situations data was available. We will never have data prior to the Big Bang, so it will always remain an educated guess at best.
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28-06-2016, 08:21 AM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
(28-06-2016 08:14 AM)u196533 Wrote:  
(27-06-2016 10:41 PM)Chas Wrote:  People have said that about all kinds of things that have now been explained.
They were all wrong. Drinking Beverage

That is true, but in those situations data was available. We will never have data prior to the Big Bang, so it will always remain an educated guess at best.

Some joker early 20th century famously said "We'll never know what stars are made of" - it would have seemed as fantastic of an idea to anyone living then that we'd be able to figure out via spectroscopy exactly what goes into them, as it does to us now that we might ever be able to peer beyond the big bang.

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28-06-2016, 10:17 AM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
(28-06-2016 08:14 AM)u196533 Wrote:  We will never have data prior to the Big Bang, so it will always remain an educated guess at best.

Not necessarily. Or are you suggesting that time itself didn't exist before the Big Bang?

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28-06-2016, 02:54 PM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
(28-06-2016 10:17 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 08:14 AM)u196533 Wrote:  We will never have data prior to the Big Bang, so it will always remain an educated guess at best.

Not necessarily. Or are you suggesting that time itself didn't exist before the Big Bang?

We can currently see back to about 380,000 years after the Big Bang. That is the point in time at which any radiation was able to pass through the plasma. It is theorized that we might be able to detect neutrinos or other particles that would have been produced shortly after the Big Bang. That is the best we can do. Anything that might have existed prior to the Big Bang is toast. The only data we will ever have is radiation that resulted from the Big Bang. We'll never have data from that exact instant or anything prior to it. We will only be able to infer it. There could have been something before the Big bang, but we'll never know.
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28-06-2016, 03:05 PM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
(28-06-2016 02:54 PM)u196533 Wrote:  There could have been something before the Big bang, but we'll never know.

You can see so far into the future that you can tell for sure that no one will ever think of a way to figure it out?

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28-06-2016, 03:40 PM
RE: The creation of the universe is "beyond the remit of science".
(28-06-2016 03:05 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 02:54 PM)u196533 Wrote:  There could have been something before the Big bang, but we'll never know.

You can see so far into the future that you can tell for sure that no one will ever think of a way to figure it out?

To figure it out you need data. Anything that might have existed prior to the Big Bang is toast. The only data we will ever have is radiation that resulted from the Big Bang.
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