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01-11-2014, 09:49 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
(01-11-2014 09:26 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 08:56 PM)Reality-Seeker Wrote:  I AM A REALIST. This is a realists view of atheism and theism: Realists and Atheists are not the same thing although Atheism is a reality-based position. Our slogan as realists is, "If it's real, we believe in it." Atheism can perhaps be summed up in the statement, "If it's not real then we don't believe in it." While it is true that God doesn't exist, Atheism doesn't go beyond that. Once you prove that God doesn't exist, then what? What fills the vacuum? What do Atheists believe in? How do they define right and wrong? How are we supposed to live our lives? What is our purpose? If there is no God then does morality go away?

You can't replace something with nothing. Even if the something is merely the illusion of something. Other religions are about what people believe in. Atheism is about what people don't believe in. That gives religion an advantage in any debate because something generally beats nothing. It's not an argument of equals. That's where Realism comes in. Realism is about the belief in reality as it really is. Realism is about what you do believe in, not about what you don't believe in. Realism is about what is real, not about what isn't real. It's a positive position rather than a negative position.

The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real. Realism is about what is real.

Religions assert a belief in deities. Atheism asserts there are no deities but stops there. Realism directly challenges other religions on the basis of what is real. Whether God exists or God doesn't exist is the wrong debate. Why waste our time arguing about fiction when there's all this wonderful reality around us to explore. When it comes down to it, Atheism isn't any more relevant than Theism because both sides are focused on the unreal. But who is there to talk about what is real? We are. We are the Church of Reality and we are here to explore reality as it really is. We are here to answer the tough questions, to explore the big issues. We are here to do the hard work of making reality work in the real world.

A person is defined by what they believe in, not by what they don't believe in. You are defined by what you are, not by what you aren't.

Realism is about something. Atheism is about nothing. Yes it is true that there is no God, but so what? There are a lot of things I don't believe in that don't exist so why is not believing in God any more important than not believing in Spider Man? God doesn't exist and God is therefore not important. Atheists are doing important but limited work in making the point against a very big myth but Atheism is at best just the first step in awakening to the wonders of reality.

We live in an amazing world. The more I learn about it the more amazing it is. I'm interested in what's real. I want to learn about space-time. I want to learn about quantum theory. I want to know what happened in the first billionth of a second after the Big Bang. I want to know how organic molecules were first formed on this planet. I want to know how they organized into early proteins. I want to understand the origin of life and how it evolved on this planet. Who are we and how did we get here?

Once you figure out God doesn't exist, what do you do next? The next step is to figure out what does exists. Realism is the next logical step in the evolution of Atheism.

But after the history is over, what I want to know is what are we doing? What is our mission? How are we supposed to live and what is the rationale behind society? What are we evolving into? What will our future be like? We are at the point where we can control our own evolution. We can choose what we as the human race will become. What will we evolve into? Now that we can change our genetic structure, when will we start building better replacement parts for our bodies?

As we expand our minds using computers and technology to see back to the moment of the beginning of time, as we discover new particles, as we figure out how to change matter into energy, and back into matter we ask what are we and what do we want to become?

We do not focus on fiction. We focus on what is real. We do the hard work of answering the big questions as best we can. We are a people who want to learn. We want to make life work. We want to create solutions in the real world. So I say to all Atheists reading this, why waste your life focusing on what isn't real when you can focus on what is real? Christians and Atheists are alike in that they both focus on a fictional God. One asserts that God does exist, the other asserts that God doesn't. Realists don't focus on God. God is a waste of time. God is irrelevant. Reality is relevant. That's why being a Realist is better than being an Atheist. Being a Realist is about something. Being an Atheist is about nothing. I choose to make my life about something.
Atheism doesn't assert anything. Sure there are atheist that assert there is no god but not all atheists. Atheism is a rejection of a claim. If you reject the claim that god exist that makes you an atheist. You can spin it any way you want but there it is.
I do no focus on fiction as you suggest. All of those things that you attribute to realism are the things that led me to atheism. I am a realist and I'm an atheist. But I'll go one more step and call myself a rationalist and that is the true foundation of realism and atheism.

As a lone wolf athiest don't you get annoyed with the tax exempt religions having political pull and twisting the legal system in their favor? If nothing else this is why i like the idea of a "religion" for athiests. I see it as the next step. If you get a chance check out the church of Reality's website and let me know what you think. Its not perfect, but i feel it's a good start in the right direction.
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01-11-2014, 09:53 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
Calling it a church sounds kinda cultish to me.
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01-11-2014, 09:57 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
(01-11-2014 09:46 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 08:56 PM)Reality-Seeker Wrote:  I AM A REALIST. This is a realists view of atheism and theism: Realists and Atheists are not the same thing although Atheism is a reality-based position. Our slogan as realists is, "If it's real, we believe in it." Atheism can perhaps be summed up in the statement, "If it's not real then we don't believe in it." While it is true that God doesn't exist, Atheism doesn't go beyond that. Once you prove that God doesn't exist, then what? What fills the vacuum? What do Atheists believe in? How do they define right and wrong? How are we supposed to live our lives? What is our purpose? If there is no God then does morality go away?

You can't replace something with nothing. Even if the something is merely the illusion of something. Other religions are about what people believe in. Atheism is about what people don't believe in. That gives religion an advantage in any debate because something generally beats nothing. It's not an argument of equals. That's where Realism comes in. Realism is about the belief in reality as it really is. Realism is about what you do believe in, not about what you don't believe in. Realism is about what is real, not about what isn't real. It's a positive position rather than a negative position.

The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real. Realism is about what is real.

Religions assert a belief in deities. Atheism asserts there are no deities but stops there. Realism directly challenges other religions on the basis of what is real. Whether God exists or God doesn't exist is the wrong debate. Why waste our time arguing about fiction when there's all this wonderful reality around us to explore. When it comes down to it, Atheism isn't any more relevant than Theism because both sides are focused on the unreal. But who is there to talk about what is real? We are. We are the Church of Reality and we are here to explore reality as it really is. We are here to answer the tough questions, to explore the big issues. We are here to do the hard work of making reality work in the real world.

A person is defined by what they believe in, not by what they don't believe in. You are defined by what you are, not by what you aren't.

Realism is about something. Atheism is about nothing. Yes it is true that there is no God, but so what? There are a lot of things I don't believe in that don't exist so why is not believing in God any more important than not believing in Spider Man? God doesn't exist and God is therefore not important. Atheists are doing important but limited work in making the point against a very big myth but Atheism is at best just the first step in awakening to the wonders of reality.

We live in an amazing world. The more I learn about it the more amazing it is. I'm interested in what's real. I want to learn about space-time. I want to learn about quantum theory. I want to know what happened in the first billionth of a second after the Big Bang. I want to know how organic molecules were first formed on this planet. I want to know how they organized into early proteins. I want to understand the origin of life and how it evolved on this planet. Who are we and how did we get here?

Once you figure out God doesn't exist, what do you do next? The next step is to figure out what does exists. Realism is the next logical step in the evolution of Atheism.

But after the history is over, what I want to know is what are we doing? What is our mission? How are we supposed to live and what is the rationale behind society? What are we evolving into? What will our future be like? We are at the point where we can control our own evolution. We can choose what we as the human race will become. What will we evolve into? Now that we can change our genetic structure, when will we start building better replacement parts for our bodies?

As we expand our minds using computers and technology to see back to the moment of the beginning of time, as we discover new particles, as we figure out how to change matter into energy, and back into matter we ask what are we and what do we want to become?

We do not focus on fiction. We focus on what is real. We do the hard work of answering the big questions as best we can. We are a people who want to learn. We want to make life work. We want to create solutions in the real world. So I say to all Atheists reading this, why waste your life focusing on what isn't real when you can focus on what is real? Christians and Atheists are alike in that they both focus on a fictional God. One asserts that God does exist, the other asserts that God doesn't. Realists don't focus on God. God is a waste of time. God is irrelevant. Reality is relevant. That's why being a Realist is better than being an Atheist. Being a Realist is about something. Being an Atheist is about nothing. I choose to make my life about something.

I actually don't identify myself as an atheist. I prefer to identify myself with what I believe rather than what I don't believe in. I identify myself as an Objectivist. Atheism is not my worldview. It is a consequence of my beliefs in objective reality, reason as my only guide to action and life as my standard of value. So I guess you could call me a realist although I prefer Objectivist. Smile

I agree 100%. This is why i really like the idea of "an atheist religion" , To fight fire with fire. Theists are very organized and have a lot of political pull. There are a lot of athiests out there but we are not united in an organized fashion like the theists are. Ive been following the church of reality for about a year. I agree with most of their principles and like that they are trying to change things logically. Starting from where we are not where we want to be. They have very few rules and are very inclusive. They demand skepticism.
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01-11-2014, 10:02 PM (This post was last modified: 01-11-2014 10:05 PM by Reality-Seeker.)
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
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01-11-2014, 10:05 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
Copy pasta doesn't fly here so much...Just so you know.
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01-11-2014, 10:05 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
(01-11-2014 09:49 PM)Reality-Seeker Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 09:26 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  Atheism doesn't assert anything. Sure there are atheist that assert there is no god but not all atheists. Atheism is a rejection of a claim. If you reject the claim that god exist that makes you an atheist. You can spin it any way you want but there it is.
I do no focus on fiction as you suggest. All of those things that you attribute to realism are the things that led me to atheism. I am a realist and I'm an atheist. But I'll go one more step and call myself a rationalist and that is the true foundation of realism and atheism.

As a lone wolf athiest don't you get annoyed with the tax exempt religions having political pull and twisting the legal system in their favor? If nothing else this is why i like the idea of a "religion" for athiests. I see it as the next step. If you get a chance check out the church of Reality's website and let me know what you think. Its not perfect, but i feel it's a good start in the right direction.
Nope. No way. I'm not going anywhere near anything that calls itself a church. This is not a case where we can fight fire with fire. Religion is not a useful weapon against religion. Religion is control. It is the enemy! And I will oppose yours just like any other.
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01-11-2014, 10:07 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
(01-11-2014 09:53 PM)pablo Wrote:  Calling it a church sounds kinda cultish to me.
http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/cults/
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01-11-2014, 10:09 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
(01-11-2014 09:57 PM)Reality-Seeker Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 09:46 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  I actually don't identify myself as an atheist. I prefer to identify myself with what I believe rather than what I don't believe in. I identify myself as an Objectivist. Atheism is not my worldview. It is a consequence of my beliefs in objective reality, reason as my only guide to action and life as my standard of value. So I guess you could call me a realist although I prefer Objectivist. Smile

I agree 100%. This is why i really like the idea of "an atheist religion" , To fight fire with fire. Theists are very organized and have a lot of political pull. There are a lot of athiests out there but we are not united in an organized fashion like the theists are. Ive been following the church of reality for about a year. I agree with most of their principles and like that they are trying to change things logically. Starting from where we are not where we want to be. They have very few rules and are very inclusive. They demand skepticism.
And as they grow stronger what else will they demand? How long will it take for some leader to corrupt the churches concept of reality?
I doubt you church is the answer.
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01-11-2014, 10:10 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
(01-11-2014 10:05 PM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 09:49 PM)Reality-Seeker Wrote:  As a lone wolf athiest don't you get annoyed with the tax exempt religions having political pull and twisting the legal system in their favor? If nothing else this is why i like the idea of a "religion" for athiests. I see it as the next step. If you get a chance check out the church of Reality's website and let me know what you think. Its not perfect, but i feel it's a good start in the right direction.
Nope. No way. I'm not going anywhere near anything that calls itself a church. This is not a case where we can fight fire with fire. Religion is not a useful weapon against religion. Religion is control. It is the enemy! And I will oppose yours just like any other.
Without even going to the site to point out any flaws you may find. Closedminded.
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01-11-2014, 10:12 PM
RE: The difference between Atheism and Realism is that Atheism is about what isn't real.
(01-11-2014 10:07 PM)Reality-Seeker Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 09:53 PM)pablo Wrote:  Calling it a church sounds kinda cultish to me.
http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/cults/

So, yes then.
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