The earth is not alive...no really, it's not
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02-12-2014, 08:40 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2014 08:44 PM by Rahn127.)
The earth is not alive...no really, it's not
So I'm driving home from work with my younger brother and out of the blue he says....

"All this oil drilling and mining around the world, it's no wonder there are more earthquakes and sink holes happening. The earth is alive and responding to all the damage we are doing to it."

I replied "Hold up, the earth isn't alive."
He says "Of course it's alive, anything that has life growing on it is alive."

My mind is blown at this point because I've known my brother for as long as he's been alive and this level of craziness has never been uttered before.

I reply "No, no & no. The earth is a planet. Plants, trees, etc grow in soil, water or wherever it's possible for them to grow. Rocks aren't alive. Earthquakes happen due to tectonic plates shifting. Those plates aren't alive. They are moving according to the laws of physics. Sink holes again, aren't alive. Do I really need to explain this ?"

He continues on, well we don't really know do we ? I mean, when you remove some element from the ground, it can effect the whole world. That to me would seem to show that it's alive."

Mind blown for second time

Me-"Mining an element, like gold for instance, from the ground, can have an effect on the surrounding land, but it's because of the human element. The roads we makes, the trucks we drive on those roads, the pollution from the mining process, the destruction of the land itself from the mining. All of these things can have an ill effect on the area, but I use the word ill when maybe I should use the word bad. The land itself isn't ill. It's not alive so it can't be ill the way we are ill. You can't look at coincidences and conclude life. It doesn't work that way."

He concedes the argument by changing the subject.

In much the same way, religion sees a coincidence and concludes that there must be a god.....Again NO

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02-12-2014, 09:18 PM
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(02-12-2014 08:40 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  So I'm driving home from work with my younger brother and out of the blue he says....

"All this oil drilling and mining around the world, it's no wonder there are more earthquakes and sink holes happening. The earth is alive and responding to all the damage we are doing to it."

I replied "Hold up, the earth isn't alive."
He says "Of course it's alive, anything that has life growing on it is alive."

My mind is blown at this point because I've known my brother for as long as he's been alive and this level of craziness has never been uttered before.

I reply "No, no & no. The earth is a planet. Plants, trees, etc grow in soil, water or wherever it's possible for them to grow. Rocks aren't alive. Earthquakes happen due to tectonic plates shifting. Those plates aren't alive. They are moving according to the laws of physics. Sink holes again, aren't alive. Do I really need to explain this ?"

He continues on, well we don't really know do we ? I mean, when you remove some element from the ground, it can effect the whole world. That to me would seem to show that it's alive."

Mind blown for second time

Me-"Mining an element, like gold for instance, from the ground, can have an effect on the surrounding land, but it's because of the human element. The roads we makes, the trucks we drive on those roads, the pollution from the mining process, the destruction of the land itself from the mining. All of these things can have an ill effect on the area, but I use the word ill when maybe I should use the word bad. The land itself isn't ill. It's not alive so it can't be ill the way we are ill. You can't look at coincidences and conclude life. It doesn't work that way."

He concedes the argument by changing the subject.

In much the same way, religion sees a coincidence and concludes that there must be a god.....Again NO

Maybe he's not really your brother? Consider

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02-12-2014, 09:23 PM
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Sounds like The Gaia Hypothesis, your basic woo.

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02-12-2014, 09:25 PM
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Wooooooow good job to you trying to break through, you made a sound argument. Holy cow... Now I have to wonder how many other people think this way Blink

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02-12-2014, 09:26 PM
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(02-12-2014 09:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-12-2014 08:40 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  So I'm driving home from work with my younger brother and out of the blue he says....

"All this oil drilling and mining around the world, it's no wonder there are more earthquakes and sink holes happening. The earth is alive and responding to all the damage we are doing to it."

I replied "Hold up, the earth isn't alive."
He says "Of course it's alive, anything that has life growing on it is alive."

My mind is blown at this point because I've known my brother for as long as he's been alive and this level of craziness has never been uttered before.

I reply "No, no & no. The earth is a planet. Plants, trees, etc grow in soil, water or wherever it's possible for them to grow. Rocks aren't alive. Earthquakes happen due to tectonic plates shifting. Those plates aren't alive. They are moving according to the laws of physics. Sink holes again, aren't alive. Do I really need to explain this ?"

He continues on, well we don't really know do we ? I mean, when you remove some element from the ground, it can effect the whole world. That to me would seem to show that it's alive."

Mind blown for second time

Me-"Mining an element, like gold for instance, from the ground, can have an effect on the surrounding land, but it's because of the human element. The roads we makes, the trucks we drive on those roads, the pollution from the mining process, the destruction of the land itself from the mining. All of these things can have an ill effect on the area, but I use the word ill when maybe I should use the word bad. The land itself isn't ill. It's not alive so it can't be ill the way we are ill. You can't look at coincidences and conclude life. It doesn't work that way."

He concedes the argument by changing the subject.

In much the same way, religion sees a coincidence and concludes that there must be a god.....Again NO

Maybe he's not really your brother? Consider

That or a sink hole swallowed his brain.
I mean not more than 10 minutes after this he says something rational.
He says "Nothing happens to you after death. You're dead. End of story. These people who think there is some heaven waiting for them are delusional."

Split personality ?

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02-12-2014, 09:28 PM
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(02-12-2014 09:25 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  Wooooooow good job to you trying to break through, you made a sound argument. Holy cow... Now I have to wonder how many other people think this way Blink

No one should ever have to make a sound argument about whether the earth is alive or not. Smile

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02-12-2014, 09:29 PM
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Is he alive? The world may never know.

He's been dipping into many hippie, eastern, or ff7 like world philosophies for that one to come about.

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02-12-2014, 11:00 PM
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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

Sounds like to me that is what his fallacy is.


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03-12-2014, 12:14 AM
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I like the gaia hypothesis Sad

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03-12-2014, 12:28 AM
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I like to stab the ground with my pocket knife...just to hear the screams!
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