The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
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16-11-2012, 09:36 PM
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
So what you guys are saying is that it is ok to lob missiles into a country so long as they have a missile defense that catches about 2/3 of the missiles? Good to know.

I am not so much in the Israeli camp that I excuse their abuses. Their religiously inspired drive to 'settle' the Palestinians out of what is left of their territory is inexcusable.

I just find your minimizing of the missile threat just as out of touch as those who embrace Israel 100% of the way.
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16-11-2012, 09:39 PM
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
(16-11-2012 09:36 PM)BryanS Wrote:  So what you guys are saying is that it is ok to lob missiles into a country so long as they have a missile defense that catches about 2/3 of the missiles? Good to know.

I am not so much in the Israeli camp that I excuse their abuses. Their religiously inspired drive to 'settle' the Palestinians out of what is left of their territory is inexcusable.

I just find your minimizing of the missile threat just as out of touch as those who embrace Israel 100% of the way.
there is no historical example that shows the Palestinian missle threat to be anywhere on the same planet as the threat of the Israeli missles.

it's not a matter of minimizing. I don't wish to see U.S. soldiers killed but it is stupid to expect a nation to not do whatever it takes to get us off their land if we invaded. The same goes for Israel, did they think they were supposed to get a thank you card?
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16-11-2012, 09:51 PM
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
(16-11-2012 09:36 PM)BryanS Wrote:  So what you guys are saying is that it is ok to lob missiles into a country so long as they have a missile defense that catches about 2/3 of the missiles? Good to know.

I am not so much in the Israeli camp that I excuse their abuses. Their religiously inspired drive to 'settle' the Palestinians out of what is left of their territory is inexcusable.

I just find your minimizing of the missile threat just as out of touch as those who embrace Israel 100% of the way.
No, I think you've misunderstood me. I am not saying that it's okay to lob missiles because they get caught by missile defense. I am saying it's okay - and even righteous - to lob missiles at the state apparatus which is killing your children, sinking your supply ships, preventing you from rebuilding your homes, targeting your hospitals, limiting your freedom, blocking access to food and building supplies, and stifling any amount of free speech you may have thought you had.

The Palestinian people have a right to defend themselves and struggle for the right to return to the lands that they have been driven from. Were Israel to cease all acts of oppression and apartheid, then the acts of the Palestinians would be wrong.

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16-11-2012, 11:49 PM
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
Yeah they have brown skin that's it. Death to all black people.

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17-11-2012, 12:07 AM
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
(16-11-2012 11:49 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Yeah they have brown skin that's it. Death to all black people.
Because simply contradicting me and denying genocide is happening totally means it's not happening. I mean, I wish someone could point to some EVIDENCE of race-based apartheid in Israel...

This article here has some interesting links: http://imeu.net/news/article0021536.shtml

http://www.adalah.org/upfiles/2011/Adala...h_2011.pdf - "This report details some of the main legal, political and policy structures that institutionalize discrimination against the Palestinian minority in Israel, and entrench inequalities between Palestinian and Jewish citizens"

http://forward.com/articles/2854/in-wate...-of-zioni/ - "[font='Lucida Grande']In Watershed, Israel Deems Land-use Rules of Zionist Icon ‘Discriminatory’[/font]"

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2009/127349.htm

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17-11-2012, 02:53 AM
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the fact that the zionists once worked with the nazi party makes them douche bags....

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17-11-2012, 03:15 AM
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
(17-11-2012 12:07 AM)themanchicken Wrote:  
(16-11-2012 11:49 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Yeah they have brown skin that's it. Death to all black people.
Because simply contradicting me and denying genocide is happening totally means it's not happening. I mean, I wish someone could point to some EVIDENCE of race-based apartheid in Israel...

This article here has some interesting links: http://imeu.net/news/article0021536.shtml

http://www.adalah.org/upfiles/2011/Adala...h_2011.pdf - "This report details some of the main legal, political and policy structures that institutionalize discrimination against the Palestinian minority in Israel, and entrench inequalities between Palestinian and Jewish citizens"

http://forward.com/articles/2854/in-wate...-of-zioni/ - "In Watershed, Israel Deems Land-use Rules of Zionist Icon ‘Discriminatory’"

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2009/127349.htm
I was referring to why we favor the Jews over the Muslims.

Obviously it's because we (western society) favor fairer skinned people.
I mean didn't you know all white people hate darker skin people??
I mean that's why we white people are on this planet, to rid the world of darker skin people.

aka, Death to all black people.

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17-11-2012, 03:25 AM
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
(17-11-2012 03:15 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(17-11-2012 12:07 AM)themanchicken Wrote:  Because simply contradicting me and denying genocide is happening totally means it's not happening. I mean, I wish someone could point to some EVIDENCE of race-based apartheid in Israel...

This article here has some interesting links: http://imeu.net/news/article0021536.shtml

http://www.adalah.org/upfiles/2011/Adala...h_2011.pdf - "This report details some of the main legal, political and policy structures that institutionalize discrimination against the Palestinian minority in Israel, and entrench inequalities between Palestinian and Jewish citizens"

http://forward.com/articles/2854/in-wate...-of-zioni/ - "In Watershed, Israel Deems Land-use Rules of Zionist Icon ‘Discriminatory’"

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2009/127349.htm
I was referring to why we favor the Jews over the Muslims.

Obviously it's because we (western society) favor fairer skinned people.
I mean didn't you know all white people hate darker skin people??
I mean that's why we white people are on this planet, to rid the world of darker skin people.

aka, Death to all black people.
Yeah, all thse europeans that went to live in palestine just love middle eastern people.....
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17-11-2012, 03:21 PM (This post was last modified: 18-11-2012 03:05 AM by shiranl.)
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
Quote:Watching the news right now it's easy to be confused about the situation in Israel. Israel - who has had a perpetual blockade of the Palestinian territories for years now - is "fearful" about several hundred rockets coming from Palestinians (most of which have been destroyed mid-air by their missile-defense system). What do they do about this fear? They send ground troops into Gaza. Israelis are occupying Palestinian territory that was stolen (a-la Trail of Tears) and oppressing the people. Palestinians cannot vote in Israeli elections, cannot import building supplies, and have no representation in the Israeli parliament. Their hospitals, schools, mosques, and housing complexes are routinely targeted by Israeli gunships.


Reading this paragraph it's easy to be confused and to think you really know what is going on in Israel, but here is some of your most ridiculous mistakes and the easiest to refute is the claim there is no Palis in Israel's Knesset and that they can't vote:
· 20% of Israel's population is Arab, with blue ID just like the one I have
· They can vote and they do. (http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&tbo=d...80&bih=653 )
· They can be elected to the Knesset and they do (very partial list of Arabs in Israeli Knesset- Ahmad Tibi, Ghaleb Majadele, Haneen Zoabi, Ayoob Kara )
· They can enlist to the IDF and they do (even women! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Joseph )
· They can study in Israel's universities and they do (even when they act like traitors http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162127 )
· They can be medical doctors and they do (look for Ahmad Tibi again. He's a Knesset member AND gynecologist! )
· They can be policemen and they do. (http://shawarmamayor.blogspot.co.il/2011...olice.html )
· They can be judges in Israel's supreme court and they do (Salim Joubran- the judge who convicted the religious Jew former president of Israel Moshe Katzav in sexual assaults. Say apartheid one more time! SAY IT! Come on! I dare you!!!!!)


I'd like to see you being so brave when a rain of rockets fall over your house, with or without Iron Dome.

Was stolen from whom? You know, looking for the very short history isn't so hard now days. You have Google and Wikipedia, really. Gaza was belonged to Egypt before 1967, the West bank was belonged to Jordan. Both of which signed peace agreements with Israel, never reclaiming Gaza or the West Bank back. Who should we return it, when the former owners didn't want the land? The answer- we really shouldn't. By every international law- its ours. But even when it is ours by the law- we still give it back. In Oslo agreements we gave the A and B territories to the PA (and we got the second Intifadah as a result) and in 2005 unilateral disengagement plan we gave up the Gaza Strip (and we got rockets falling over 1 million civilians instead). And it's not the only land giving we did in order to get peace (which in most cases- we didn't actually get). So you tell me- the Palis and the whole world say that we stole their land and we should give it back. But when we do give it back- we get terrorist attacks and rockets fired at our homes. But, when we wipe the fuck off to the Palis, like we did in Cast Lead, we get a relative silence for 2 years. Or even better example- our most quiet border is with Syria after we smashed their asses in 1973, nearly 40 years ago. The first time they fired at us since then was a few days ago, when they fought between themselves. We automatically fired back and they- automatically- withdraw their forces from our border. What a logical person would conclude from such clear evidence?

Quote:You hear a lot about how Palestinians say they want to destroy Israel, and to be honest I cannot blame them in the slightest. If I had witnessed the oppression and apartheid that the Palestinian people had, I'd probably want to destroy the state apparatus that perpetrated those crimes as well.


You cannot blame a person for being bloodthirsty terrorist? Wow, that is a new moral standard. But you didn't witness- you made some baseless claims of how Arabs can't vote for Israeli Knesset or be elected for it.

Quote:Why do you guys think that is? Why is it okay for Israelis to kill Palestinians and to use their religious rhetoric to do so, but when Palestinians stage futile efforts at asymmetric warfare it's called terrorism and murder? Here are my theories:
Palestinians tend to have darker skin. We don't really care for the darker skinned people in the American media, not unless they have money or political power.
Palestinians tend to be Muslims, and it seems like it's "open season" on Muslims politically speaking.
Israelis are richer and more powerful, so they win the day because they control a majority consensus.
America - due its own imperialist goals and gains - sympathizes with Israel as they have similar imperialist aims.
American Christianity - since the 1960s - seems as though they have fetishized Judaism, and now defend it so long as it maintains some sort of right-wing orthodoxy that reinforces their romantic ideas about the Christ times.
Good old American military strategy.
Did I mention that Palestinians tend to have brown skin?

Here's photos of Israeli Jews:

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&...80&bih=653



http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&tbo=d...80&bih=653


"Islamophobia" is a lie. Phobia is an irrational fear. It isn't irrational to fear Islamic terrorism. Because it is there and it is livin' and kickin'.


Yeah, we're like almost rich like queen Elizabeth……if we already mentioned the UK- take a look from time to time in their media, Guardian or BBC, and think how headlines like "Israel strikes Gaza again" with a small sentence in the end of the article clarifying "The attack came after rockets were fired at Israeli cities" AREN'T biased!!!

Imperialist aims? Like when we gave up the oil-riched Sinai for peace? Like we went out from south Lebanon with no agreement? Like when we gave water (which we DON'T have) in return for peace agreement with Jordan? Like when we demolished homes of our own people and withdraw from Gaza without getting anything? Like when we released 1027 terrorists with blood on their hands for one of our own? Like when we froze settlements for 10 month in the West Bank without getting guaranteed for peace talks? You mean THAT KIND OF IMPERIALIST?!?!?!?!?!?


I don't really give a damn as for why people support us.

Don't know what you mean about "American military strategy".


Did I mention there also dark-skinned Jews? It's not Israel's fault you tend to imagine us wrongly.



Quote:What do you think? Am I way off?

Yes, you're WAY WAY WAY off.
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17-11-2012, 04:08 PM
RE: The false equivalency of Israeli apartheid
What's interesting about this debate is how people have such strong opinions without understanding any of the history that got us here. I don't think the Israeli's are saints by any means, but to call them out as the sole cause of the current or even the past, conflicts shows a level of ignorance that is astonishing.

I and I must stand for "Ignorant and Insipid".

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