The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
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23-03-2017, 06:29 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
(21-10-2016 05:50 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(21-10-2016 05:02 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  He's already used the original sin excuse for suffering, sure there's an entire field of science, paleopathology that falsifies the idea of suffering linked to humans, but would Borgy understand that? nope..

I could point out that the entire argument is an example of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy but would Borgy understand that? nope...


So I guess I'll just post this for anyone lurking that actually has enough synapses firing and can understand things.








So, you agreed, what Reality is perfectly accommodated to the use of the humans. And vice versa. And you think, what it is bad for me. But no, you have proven to me, what the fine-tuning is not the nonsense. It is really there! We do not desire a hotter Earth, we do not desire a higher atmospheric pressure, we do not desire more oxygen in the air. We just desire not to die and not to suffer.

How could you possibly draw that conclusion from the post? Can you see why you are subject to ridicule so often?
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23-03-2017, 06:31 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
(23-03-2017 06:21 PM)Lao Tzu Wrote:  
(20-10-2016 11:47 PM)theBorg Wrote:  Are you over the True God to judge the Almighty One? Are you a god?



Ah, the inevitable "mysterious ways" argument, the last resort of the debater faced with losing.

Do you think it is a reasonable and true assumption that say, a grandchild should not be held accountable for the evil deeds of the grandfather? If you agree, then you cannot condone god's actions, and you must conclude either he does not exist, or he is not Omni-belevolent.

Or will you duck this conclusion like you do all the ones you are uncomfortable with?

Sorry if I seem a bit testy, but I don't have high hopes I will receive a rational answer. Please renew my faith in humanity.

LZ, this is theBore you are talking to, you couldn’t get a rational answer from it if his cube depended on it. No

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23-03-2017, 06:40 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
(21-10-2016 08:33 AM)theBorg Wrote:  
(21-10-2016 08:17 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  As I said earlier, you are completely unfamiliar with references and citations.


Citations #3, #4 and #5 all reference the dating to 190,000 - 200,000.
.........

Dear friend, do not rush with unscientific conclusions. The fact is: nobody cares about the 1998-Science paper, because we are bad bad bad people. We just hate the Truth, because the Jesus says "I am the Truth." Therefore we simply ignore the 1998-paper, because it destroys the atheism. The atheism is trendy nowadays: the evil powers pay money to reduce the population to zero. So, the atheism is necessary for our enemies, dear atheistic friend! Shy
Ok, now I understand - you are not here to discuss, debate, learn, or exchange real information. NEVER be upset at the people who ridicule you, they have valid reasons to do so. When you are pinned down, you just turn to silliness, or you change the topic. This is arguing in bad faith, which of course is not actually arguing at all. You are just mouthing your cherished misconceptions.
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07-04-2017, 04:27 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument
Anyone who thinks the fine tuning argument proves anything just totally does not understand the mathematics of statistics and I do not have the time to explain it to them. No

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07-04-2017, 05:00 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
And they do not understand probability or randomness or non sequiturs
The fine tuning argument is not a logical proof for the existence of God

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07-04-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
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07-04-2017, 06:48 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
(07-04-2017 05:00 PM)surreptitious57 Wrote:  And they do not understand probability or randomness or non sequiturs
The fine tuning argument is not a logical proof for the existence of God

Especially because there is no fucking fine-tuning. Facepalm

The entire premise is presuppositional horseshit.

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07-04-2017, 06:58 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
If there's anything that this universe is good for, it's black holes.

Ignorance is not to be ignored.

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13-04-2017, 09:24 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
The puddle thinks the pothole was designed for it.
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13-04-2017, 09:38 PM
RE: The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P.
(20-10-2016 09:27 PM)theBorg Wrote:  INTRODUCTION:

Quote: "Fine tuning is an additional argument and also provides more strength to my point, but I refer to the more general teleology that can be found in nature, something like the fifth way of Saint Thomas or the argument of nomic regularity of Swinburne; any causal order already requires an order of explanation that can not be purely fortuitous, and can not explain all this only through natural laws - after all, the natural laws themselves are merely descriptive, describe the order of final causes and regularities we observe in nature. Fine tuning, which is another argument, also provides an additional support to what I said - not just the universe brings order in its foundation (which could be observed even if the whole reality only involved two poles attracting or repelling regularly for example), but it brings an absurdly rare order that allowed the appearance of some kind of life as we, against absolutely overwhelming majority of hostile scenarios to any existence of life in any space."
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...nce-of-god

theBorg PROPOSAL:

The fine-tuning argument is very powerful. Many brave atheists were defeated. R.I.P. But the remaining atheists could try to find the defense of the organization (P.S. the global atheism is organized through the internet: you all are asking for advise, or share it here, when a Christian is debating with you). Let us see. The humanity is used to broad range of temperatures, atmospheric pressure, wind velocities, etc. The only problem of fine-tuning argument is the death (so called "natural" death of the humans, or a violent one), but this is rejected by the belief in the original sin. Can we find anything, what is hostile to human life? Or at least to find that it must be (and, what is important, can be) "better fine-tuned"?

So let me get this straight.
Your god is SO puny, weak, and unimaginative, that it could only make life happen if the universe provided conditions that were *just perfect*.

Consider

I would have thought an omnipotent deity could make life happen no matter the conditions.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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