The foundational lie in the psyche
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15-07-2014, 08:00 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 07:47 PM)DemonicLemon Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 07:43 PM)childeye Wrote:  Funny.

Damn straight it is. The tree wasn't fruitful because it wasn't in season. Jesus killed it despite that knowledge. It wasn't dead before Jesus got to it.

Indeed. Let's consult our handy scriptures:
Matthew Wrote:21:18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
Mark Wrote:11:12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
11:13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
11:20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

Whoops!

Either childeye is an idiot, or the Gospel writers are.

Well; or both.

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15-07-2014, 08:02 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 08:00 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 07:47 PM)DemonicLemon Wrote:  Damn straight it is. The tree wasn't fruitful because it wasn't in season. Jesus killed it despite that knowledge. It wasn't dead before Jesus got to it.

Indeed. Let's consult our handy scriptures:
Matthew Wrote:21:18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
Mark Wrote:11:12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
11:13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
11:20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

Whoops!

Either childeye is an idiot, or the Gospel writers are.

Well; or both.

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15-07-2014, 08:02 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 07:45 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 07:37 PM)childeye Wrote:  He fulfilled the law, every tittle. Christ is greater than the law. The unblemished lamb. Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV)

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

So you would take an apocryphal book over the direct quote of jesus? Well anything to keep the delusion going I guess.
If Love is a delusion then it beats reality. For I am certain the law is the beggarly elements. For instance while true Love is giving hard earned money to those less fortunate the law is saying don't steal. It means nothing to the children of God who sacrifice themselves for others.
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15-07-2014, 08:20 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 08:00 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 07:47 PM)DemonicLemon Wrote:  Damn straight it is. The tree wasn't fruitful because it wasn't in season. Jesus killed it despite that knowledge. It wasn't dead before Jesus got to it.

Indeed. Let's consult our handy scriptures:
Matthew Wrote:21:18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
Mark Wrote:11:12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
11:13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
11:20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

Whoops!

Either childeye is an idiot, or the Gospel writers are.

Well; or both.
Sounds to me like Jesus was hoping for some figs and was disappointed.
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15-07-2014, 08:21 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 08:20 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 08:00 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Indeed. Let's consult our handy scriptures:

Whoops!

Either childeye is an idiot, or the Gospel writers are.

Well; or both.
Sounds to me like Jesus was hoping for some figs and was disappointed.

He still destroyed a tree for not doing something it wasn't ready to do.

“You see… sometimes life gives you lemons. And when that happens… you need to find some spell that makes lemons explode, because lemons are terrible. I only ate them once and I can say with certainty they are the worst fruit. If life gave me lemons, I would view it as nothing short of a declaration of war."
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15-07-2014, 08:23 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 08:20 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 08:00 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Indeed. Let's consult our handy scriptures:

Whoops!

Either childeye is an idiot, or the Gospel writers are.

Well; or both.
Sounds to me like Jesus was hoping for some figs and was disappointed.

So he was just stupid then?

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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15-07-2014, 08:25 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 08:21 PM)DemonicLemon Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 08:20 PM)childeye Wrote:  Sounds to me like Jesus was hoping for some figs and was disappointed.

He still destroyed a tree for not doing something it wasn't ready to do.
So how do you know this isn't a metaphor for coming to Jerusalem and finding a fruitless temple?
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15-07-2014, 08:28 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 08:23 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 08:20 PM)childeye Wrote:  Sounds to me like Jesus was hoping for some figs and was disappointed.

So he was just stupid then?
Let us not project our corrupt minds on things we don't understand. Can you think of no good lesson to be derived from this incident? Do you suppose that those who wrote this and are followers of Jesus are trying to say Jesus is stupid?
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15-07-2014, 08:34 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 08:28 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 08:23 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  So he was just stupid then?
Let us not project our corrupt minds on things we don't understand. Can you think of no good lesson to be derived from this incident? Do you suppose that those who wrote this and are followers of Jesus are trying to say Jesus is stupid?

I think you should follow your own advice. You are the one projecting your interpretation to the bible in clear disagreement with every single school of thought on the subject.

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15-07-2014, 08:37 PM
RE: The foundational lie in the psyche
(15-07-2014 08:34 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(15-07-2014 08:28 PM)childeye Wrote:  Let us not project our corrupt minds on things we don't understand. Can you think of no good lesson to be derived from this incident? Do you suppose that those who wrote this and are followers of Jesus are trying to say Jesus is stupid?

I think you should follow your own advice. You are the one projecting your interpretation to the bible in clear disagreement with every single school of thought on the subject.
I looked this up just for you:

Why did Jesus curse the fig tree?

Jesus curse fig tree

Question: "Why did Jesus curse the fig tree?"

Answer: The account of Jesus cursing the barren fig tree is found in two different gospel accounts. First, it is seen in Matthew 21:18-22, and then also in Mark 11:12-14. While there are slight differences between the two accounts, they are easily reconciled by studying the passages. Like all Scripture, the key to understanding this passage comes from understanding the context in which it happened. In order to properly understand this passage, we must first look at the chronological and geographical setting. For example, when did this occur, what was the setting, and where did it happen? Also, in order to fully understand this passage, we need to have an understanding of the importance of the fig tree as it relates to the nation of Israel and understand how the fig tree is often used in the Scriptures to symbolically represent Israel. Finally, we must have a basic understanding of the fig tree itself, its growing seasons, etc.

First, in looking at the general chronological setting of the passage, we see that it happened during the week before His crucifixion. Jesus had entered Jerusalem a day earlier amid the praise and worship of the Jewish people who were looking to Him as the King/Messiah who was going to deliver them from Roman occupation (Matthew 21:1-11; Mark 11:1-11). Now, the next day, Jesus is again on His way to Jerusalem from where He was staying in Bethany. On His way, both Matthew and Mark record that He was hungry and saw a fig tree in the distance that had leaves on it (Mark 11:13). Upon coming to the tree expecting to find something to eat, Jesus instead discovered that the fig tree had no fruit on it and cursed the tree saying, “May no fruit ever come from you again!” (Matthew 21:19; Mark 11:14). Matthew records the cursing and the withering of the fig tree all in one account and includes it after the account of Jesus cleansing the Temple of the moneychangers. Mark explains that it actually took place over two days, with Jesus cursing the fig tree the first day on the way to cleanse the Temple, and the disciples seeing the tree withered on the second day when they were again going to Jerusalem from Bethany (Mark 11:12-14 and Mark 11:19-20). Of course, upon seeing the tree “withered from the roots up,” the disciples were amazed, as that would have normally taken several weeks.

Having reviewed the general chronological setting of the story, we can begin to answer some of many questions that are often asked of it. First of all is the question, Why did Jesus curse the fig tree if it was not the right season for figs? The answer to this question can be determined by studying the characteristics of fig trees. The fruit of the fig tree generally appears before the leaves, and, because the fruit is green it blends in with the leaves right up until it is almost ripe. Therefore, when Jesus and His disciples saw from a distance that the tree had leaves, they would have expected it to also have fruit on it even though it was earlier in the season than what would be normal for a fig tree to be bearing fruit. Also, each tree would often produce two to three crops of figs each season. There would be an early crop in the spring followed by one or two later crops. In some parts of Israel, depending on climate and conditions, it was also possible that a tree might produce fruit ten out of twelve months. This also explains why Jesus and His disciples would be looking for fruit on the fig tree even if it was not in the main growing season. The fact that the tree already had leaves on it even though it was at a higher elevation around Jerusalem, and therefore would have been outside the normal season for figs, would have seemed to be a good indication that there would also be fruit on it.

As to the significance of this passage and what it means, the answer to that is again found in the chronological setting and in understanding how a fig tree is often used symbolically to represent Israel in the Scriptures. First of all, chronologically, Jesus had just arrived at Jerusalem amid great fanfare and great expectations, but then proceeds to cleanse the Temple and curse the barren fig tree. Both had significance as to the spiritual condition of Israel. With His cleansing of the Temple and His criticism of the worship that was going on there (Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17), Jesus was effectively denouncing Israel’s worship of God. With the cursing of the fig tree, He was symbolically denouncing Israel as a nation and, in a sense, even denouncing unfruitful “Christians” (that is, people who profess to be Christian but have no evidence of a relationship with Christ).

The presence of a fruitful fig tree was considered to be a symbol of blessing and prosperity for the nation of Israel. Likewise, the absence or death of a fig tree would symbolize judgment and rejection. Symbolically, the fig tree represented the spiritual deadness of Israel, who while very religious outwardly with all the sacrifices and ceremonies, were spiritually barren because of their sins. By cleansing the Temple and cursing the fig tree, causing it to whither and die, Jesus was pronouncing His coming judgment of Israel and demonstrating His power to carry it out. It also teaches the principle that religious profession and observance are not enough to guarantee salvation, unless there is the fruit of genuine salvation evidenced in the life of the person. James would later echo this truth when he wrote that “faith without works is dead” (James 2:26). The lesson of the fig tree is that we should bear spiritual fruit (Galatians 5:22-23), not just give an appearance of religiosity. God judges fruitlessness, and expects that those who have a relationship with Him will “bear much fruit” (John 15:5-8).


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