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14-10-2015, 07:35 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
(13-10-2015 10:15 PM)jennybee Wrote:  A few months ago, I was looking for a gun strictly for home protection since I was going to be living by myself and will no longer have my linebacker-sized boyfriend for protection Wink I think it was YH (?) who suggested a rifle or a shotgun. I ended up putting my gun plans on hold because I ended up getting back together with my boyfriend and he is completely anti-gun and would not allow one in the house.

Fast forward to now, and my relationship with my boyfriend is completely over. So now I am thinking about purchasing a gun again. While I've always been a pretty avid hiker, more recently I got into backpacking. I want something light that I can take with me on the trails and something that is not cumbersome to carry as I have a pack. I am not planning on doing any hunting--I just want it for protection. I also would like it to be something that I could also use for home/personal protection.

I mentioned in Toney's thread that I am a member of several backpacking/outdoor forums and several people on there have recommended the Ruger LCR .357 mag. I have done some research on it and it seems to be what I am looking for. The price is also quite reasonable at $500-600.

I know this gun is quite powerful, but I have the ability to practice with two professionals who know a lot about firearms. I also have a a lot of arm/forearm/wrist strength (probably more than a "typical" female) due to yoga.

I always like to hear others opinions on things...so, gun enthusiasts, what type of firearm do you think would best suit my needs?

I'm a small guy and I conceal carry a Ruger SR9C with Hornady Critical Defense ammo. It's got plenty of stopping power and more rounds than a revolver. I am able to conceal that gun with no problem even when I'm wearing tighter fitting summer clothes.

I've gone through a couple different carry handguns, including a few pocket revolvers. It's mostly personal preference, but I don't like carrying a revolver. I'm not as quick with them or as accurate in a quick fire situation. I've done several classes/competitions with guys who use revolvers exclusively, and they're amazing with them, but they also have years and years of practice and several thousand rounds through them. I just find semi auto to be more practical for self defense.

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14-10-2015, 07:44 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
More in general... How did I miss this thread? I am definitely a gun enthusiast, but I generally keep my mouth shut about guns around here since I got called a murderer and a "trigger happy rambo" because I once stopped a crime simply by having a gun.


Anyway. I'm very glad there is a thread here that is supposed to be for enthusiasts only. I like talking about guns, I like shooting guns.

Like the gun I recently got to shoot. Suomi M31

Finnish made 9mm SMG. For as cheaply made a gun as it is, it's a fantastic weapon. Heavy as shit, but almost no recoil due to the weight. It's amazing to think that people carried that hunk of metal around all day, my arms were tired after a few mags.

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14-10-2015, 09:08 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
(14-10-2015 07:44 AM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  More in general... How did I miss this thread? I am definitely a gun enthusiast, but I generally keep my mouth shut about guns around here since I got called a murderer and a "trigger happy rambo" because I once stopped a crime simply by having a gun.


Anyway. I'm very glad there is a thread here that is supposed to be for enthusiasts only. I like talking about guns, I like shooting guns.

Like the gun I recently got to shoot. Suomi M31

Finnish made 9mm SMG. For as cheaply made a gun as it is, it's a fantastic weapon. Heavy as shit, but almost no recoil due to the weight. It's amazing to think that people carried that hunk of metal around all day, my arms were tired after a few mags.

I take it you've never carried a Thompson M-2 either... (or worse the Savage 1927 version with a drum)

It's like lugging a railroad tie around....

I had the Auto Ordinance semi version of the M2 a few years back -- and while I wouldn't want to have to tote it around in the woods -- it was remarkable in it's long range accuracy.... With the original fixed sights it grouped 3 inches at 100 (on the peep sight) and 6 inches at 200 yards. (on v sight on top of rear blade)

Yeah - and no recoil at all. Quiet too.. Almost didn't need hearing protection.

Wish I'd have kept it. It'd be legal to hunt deer with here in Michigan's lower peninsula now.... That'd open some eyes in deer camp...

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14-10-2015, 09:16 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
(14-10-2015 09:08 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(14-10-2015 07:44 AM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  More in general... How did I miss this thread? I am definitely a gun enthusiast, but I generally keep my mouth shut about guns around here since I got called a murderer and a "trigger happy rambo" because I once stopped a crime simply by having a gun.


Anyway. I'm very glad there is a thread here that is supposed to be for enthusiasts only. I like talking about guns, I like shooting guns.

Like the gun I recently got to shoot. Suomi M31

Finnish made 9mm SMG. For as cheaply made a gun as it is, it's a fantastic weapon. Heavy as shit, but almost no recoil due to the weight. It's amazing to think that people carried that hunk of metal around all day, my arms were tired after a few mags.

I take it you've never carried a Thompson M-2 either... (or worse the Savage 1927 version with a drum)

It's like lugging a railroad tie around....

I had the Auto Ordinance semi version of the M2 a few years back -- and while I wouldn't want to have to tote it around in the woods -- it was remarkable in it's long range accuracy.... With the original fixed sights it grouped 3 inches at 100 (on the peep sight) and 6 inches at 200 yards. (on v sight on top of rear blade)

Yeah - and no recoil at all. Quiet too.. Almost didn't need hearing protection.

Wish I'd have kept it. It'd be legal to hunt deer with here in Michigan's lower peninsula now.... That'd open some eyes in deer camp...

Big Grin

I've held a Thompson for a few seconds, but never fired it. I have a friend with a really old one that's in great condition. He won't let anyone actually shoot it, though.

I am just so used to modern guns and their relative light weight. The only other SMG I have fired was an MP-5 and having the front grip on one of those is damn near a necessity to keep it level.

My Nagant is the heaviest gun I own and that thing seems like a feather compared to the Suomi.

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14-10-2015, 09:28 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
(14-10-2015 07:35 AM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  I'm a small guy and I conceal carry a Ruger SR9C with Hornady Critical Defense ammo. It's got plenty of stopping power and more rounds than a revolver. I am able to conceal that gun with no problem even when I'm wearing tighter fitting summer clothes.

I've gone through a couple different carry handguns, including a few pocket revolvers. It's mostly personal preference, but I don't like carrying a revolver. I'm not as quick with them or as accurate in a quick fire situation. I've done several classes/competitions with guys who use revolvers exclusively, and they're amazing with them, but they also have years and years of practice and several thousand rounds through them. I just find semi auto to be more practical for self defense.

I run the 90 grain Hornaday FTX Lite in my airweight 38 Special because it's about the lightest recoiling round for that gun that I've found. Hornady's own penetration tests show that at 8.25" it doesn't meet FBI standards. Everything else gets either Gold Dots or Federal HST.

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14-10-2015, 09:46 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
(14-10-2015 09:28 AM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(14-10-2015 07:35 AM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  I'm a small guy and I conceal carry a Ruger SR9C with Hornady Critical Defense ammo. It's got plenty of stopping power and more rounds than a revolver. I am able to conceal that gun with no problem even when I'm wearing tighter fitting summer clothes.

I've gone through a couple different carry handguns, including a few pocket revolvers. It's mostly personal preference, but I don't like carrying a revolver. I'm not as quick with them or as accurate in a quick fire situation. I've done several classes/competitions with guys who use revolvers exclusively, and they're amazing with them, but they also have years and years of practice and several thousand rounds through them. I just find semi auto to be more practical for self defense.

I run the 90 grain Hornaday FTX Lite in my airweight 38 Special because it's about the lightest recoiling round for that gun that I've found. Hornady's own penetration tests show that at 8.25" it doesn't meet FBI standards. Everything else gets either Gold Dots or Federal HST.

The 115gr 9mm penetrate to 11.25". They do recoil a bit more than a standard round, though. Is that why you carry the lite ammo?

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14-10-2015, 09:58 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
I wouldn't put too much stock in FBI penetration standards.....

Not that I don't respect the men and women in it - I do -- but firearm preferences seem to be like skirt hem length... They change every couple of years for no apparent reason...


Remember 10MM??

It was developed for the FBI for standard issue in the mid 80's -- then abandoned when it was determined it had EXCESSIVE penetration....

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(then they chopped it down and made 40 S+W).....

It's kind of funny -- people complain that their hollow point ammo doesn't have sufficient penetration -- when they made it hollow pointed to REDUCE penetration in the first place....

It all goes back to why we have jacketed ammo in the first place -----

Because at one time (early 1900's) only the military had it. Everybody else used lead bullets.

Tell a shooter that only the military can have something, and that shooter will lust after it.....

It's also interesting to note --- that at the time the US Military went to full metal jacketed ammo -- they were using the 38 special as a standard issue sidearm. It was then determined that the 38 didn't have enough "knockdown" power with FMJ. --- SO --- they cut down the new 30-06 casing - increased the angle of the extractor groove from 45 degrees to 60 degree, and thus was born the 45 ACP....

Same with HP ammo.... At one time only police agencies used it -- soon EVERYBODY had to have some....

When -it's cheaper to go with a lead bullet. The only time you NEED a jacketed bullet is with polygonal rifling, or in firearms with gas operated systems and anything that's above 1400 fps (due to barrel leading)...

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14-10-2015, 10:06 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
(14-10-2015 09:58 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  I wouldn't put too much stock in FBI penetration standards.....

Not that I don't respect the men and women in it - I do -- but firearm preferences seem to be like skirt hem length... They change every couple of years for no apparent reason...


Remember 10MM??

It was developed for the FBI for standard issue in the mid 80's -- then abandoned when it was determined it had EXCESSIVE penetration....

.
(then they chopped it down and made 40 S+W).....

It's kind of funny -- people complain that their hollow point ammo doesn't have sufficient penetration -- when they made it hollow pointed to REDUCE penetration in the first place....

It all goes back to why we have jacketed ammo in the first place -----

Because at one time (early 1900's) only the military had it. Everybody else used lead bullets.

Tell a shooter that only the military can have something, and that shooter will lust after it.....

It's also interesting to note --- that at the time the US Military went to full metal jacketed ammo -- they were using the 38 special as a standard issue sidearm. It was then determined that the 38 didn't have enough "knockdown" power with FMJ. --- SO --- they cut down the new 30-06 casing - increased the angle of the extractor groove from 45 degrees to 60 degree, and thus was born the 45 ACP....

Same with HP ammo.... At one time only police agencies used it -- soon EVERYBODY had to have some....

When -it's cheaper to go with a lead bullet. The only time you NEED a jacketed bullet is with polygonal rifling, or in firearms with gas operated systems and anything that's above 1400 fps (due to barrel leading)...

I like HP due to the fact that they don't have a lot of penetration. I don't care if the bullet comes out the back, only that it will go in the front and then spread.

I think .22 is the only non-jacketed round I've ever used. I know my gun will fire them, but I hate having to clean lead out of a barrel. I infrequently give my guns a full strip down cleaning, it's usually just a barrel snake and a quick scrub with some CLP and a toothbrush. I had a buddy who shot lead and was constantly having to de-lead his barrel.

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14-10-2015, 10:10 AM
RE: The gun thread. Enthusiasts only.
(14-10-2015 09:46 AM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  
(14-10-2015 09:28 AM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  I run the 90 grain Hornaday FTX Lite in my airweight 38 Special because it's about the lightest recoiling round for that gun that I've found. Hornady's own penetration tests show that at 8.25" it doesn't meet FBI standards. Everything else gets either Gold Dots or Federal HST.

The 115gr 9mm penetrate to 11.25". They do recoil a bit more than a standard round, though. Is that why you carry the lite ammo?

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14-10-2015, 10:15 AM
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(14-10-2015 09:58 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  I wouldn't put too much stock in FBI penetration standards.....

Not that I don't respect the men and women in it - I do -- but firearm preferences seem to be like skirt hem length... They change every couple of years for no apparent reason...


Remember 10MM??

It was developed for the FBI for standard issue in the mid 80's -- then abandoned when it was determined it had EXCESSIVE penetration....

.
(then they chopped it down and made 40 S+W).....

It's kind of funny -- people complain that their hollow point ammo doesn't have sufficient penetration -- when they made it hollow pointed to REDUCE penetration in the first place....

It all goes back to why we have jacketed ammo in the first place -----

Because at one time (early 1900's) only the military had it. Everybody else used lead bullets.

Tell a shooter that only the military can have something, and that shooter will lust after it.....

It's also interesting to note --- that at the time the US Military went to full metal jacketed ammo -- they were using the 38 special as a standard issue sidearm. It was then determined that the 38 didn't have enough "knockdown" power with FMJ. --- SO --- they cut down the new 30-06 casing - increased the angle of the extractor groove from 45 degrees to 60 degree, and thus was born the 45 ACP....

Same with HP ammo.... At one time only police agencies used it -- soon EVERYBODY had to have some....

When -it's cheaper to go with a lead bullet. The only time you NEED a jacketed bullet is with polygonal rifling, or in firearms with gas operated systems and anything that's above 1400 fps (due to barrel leading)...

I don't. It's just something to compare things against. The FBI likes 12" in calibrated ballistics gel. The 90 grain Hornady lites just go 8.25". I run them in the model 37 anyway because of the reduced recoil from both the lighter bullet and reduced load.

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