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11-10-2014, 07:59 PM
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness




Enjoy having you childish delusions crushed libtards!

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11-10-2014, 09:28 PM
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness
(11-10-2014 07:59 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  



Enjoy having you childish delusions crushed libtards!

He seemed to be on the right track for a while, but then he seems to have failed elementary mathematics and doesn't know the difference between addition and subtraction.
After watching it 5 times I am utterly perplexed by his numbers. It makes absolutely no sense.
Black people victimise white people 5 times more than the other way around, but there are less black people so that actually makes it 200 times more??? What the fuck is he talking about?

Lets take a hypothetical scenario: a bank robbery. A man walks in with a gun and orders everyone to the ground while he has his money bag loaded up. Lets say there are 20 customers and 5 staff in the bank. Statistically, in the USA, you're going to have 18 white people, 3 black people and 3 others.
If the robber is white he has only victimised 3 black people, but if he is black he's ended up victimising 18 white people.
In short; there are a hell of a lot more white people around to become the victims of crime.

How on earth you can bump up the numbers like that is totally beyond me. I think he might be insane. I don't know who that man is in the video, but he appears to be a complete arse.

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11-10-2014, 11:23 PM
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness
(11-10-2014 07:59 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  



Enjoy having you childish delusions crushed libtards!

Libtard? Too sad to make up your own poor insults Res Publicunt?

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12-10-2014, 02:41 AM (This post was last modified: 12-10-2014 04:05 AM by Spade=Spade.)
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness
(11-10-2014 07:33 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Wrong it shows that being fed leading questions get a sought after result (Example).

1) How does the trolley problem have anything to do with the issue of racism being depicted as white?
2) How does it have anything to with your claim that "leading questions get a sought after result"??

- If you want to assert that someone has made leading questions, highlight the question and show how it meets that definition.

(11-10-2014 07:33 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  As for Harris I find him to be less than credible on moral issues and rather poor in the use of logic. Good Neurologist not so great as a philosopher.

Who cares what you think of Harris? I was asked to provide a study and I provided one which I remember reading about in Harris's book. Harris simply describes the results of a study that he wasn't a part of, so no amount of ad hominem attacks on Harris will invalidate the study.

(11-10-2014 07:33 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  You seem to be really hung up on this idea that all forms of racism are equal, they are not. In the real world Institutionalised Racism is a much larger problem than anything you have brought up

No. Like I have told you on at least 4 occasions now, this is not tit-for-tat. I am NOT claiming that all forms of racism are currently equal. For goodness sake it's like talking to a brick wall with you. I have repeated myself over and over on this point but your only response is to compare black racism and say "black racism is a bigger problem"... This has got to be the dumbest response to any serious discussion. Surely you can see that??

If someone brings up an issue and you say "So what, I know of another issue that is currently a bigger problem", it does nothing to invalidate the truth of the initial claim. Let's try an example because you seem to be struggling with this point.

Abdullah says "Guys I've noticed that I am getting more racial abuse against me these days because I am an Arab."

You say "Who cares. Black people have it worse"

Do you see the stupidity with this logic?

(11-10-2014 07:33 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  I ask for some supporting data and you retreat into obfuscation all of which shows me you have no support for your views.

Hmmmm, let me see...

- I assert that white racism exists
- You ask for supporting data
- I provide a study which shows that it does exist.

How did I retreat into obfuscation again?

Let's try a different approach with you.. Does white racism exist, yes or no?
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12-10-2014, 02:53 AM (This post was last modified: 12-10-2014 04:04 AM by Spade=Spade.)
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness
(11-10-2014 07:49 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Nobody is blaming all whites for racism.

This assertion is false. It's just like saying that nobody is blaming all black people for crime; or nobody is blaming all Arabs for terrorism... So I guess racism doesn't exist then because according to you "NOBODY" is making the mistake of believing the stereotype.

(11-10-2014 07:49 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Your analogies break down pretty quickly. We do blame the taliban, and al qaeda, and other extremist groups for terrorism. We don't blame all muslims because the extremest are a fringe minority.

Oh really? So I guess it would be really silly of Muslims to complain about the hate crimes they have experienced in the West, because according to you, Muslims don't get blamed for the actions of fringe terrorists.

(11-10-2014 07:49 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Saying that racism is a problem in america is not the same thing as saying all whites are racist.

Correct, but when did I ever say that it was?

You assertions are false. You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that because you are a good person, everyone else must be too.

If white people are being stereotyped in the media as racists, then I'm going to bring it up. It doesn't matter if you say nobody is blaming all white people (a false assertion anyway). The OP is a criticism of popular culture, not people.
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12-10-2014, 05:43 AM
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness
Racism exists in all classes, races, and societies. It is a profound problem when it is rampant in the group(s) that have power in a society.

Spade's basic contention, while true, is far less important than he thinks, and more important than his detractors think.

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12-10-2014, 09:40 AM
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness
(12-10-2014 02:53 AM)Spade=Spade Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 07:49 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Nobody is blaming all whites for racism.

This assertion is false. It's just like saying that nobody is blaming all black people for crime; or nobody is blaming all Arabs for terrorism... So I guess racism doesn't exist then because according to you "NOBODY" is making the mistake of believing the stereotype.

And some white cops shoot black kids for no reason. What's your point? People of all races can experience racism. At this point, who are you arguing with?

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(11-10-2014 07:49 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Your analogies break down pretty quickly. We do blame the taliban, and al qaeda, and other extremist groups for terrorism. We don't blame all muslims because the extremest are a fringe minority.

Oh really? So I guess it would be really silly of Muslims to complain about the hate crimes they have experienced in the West, because according to you, Muslims don't get blamed for the actions of fringe terrorists.

When did I say anything even remotely similar? Again, who are you arguing with?

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(11-10-2014 07:49 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Saying that racism is a problem in america is not the same thing as saying all whites are racist.

Correct, but when did I ever say that it was?

You assertions are false. You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that because you are a good person, everyone else must be too.

If white people are being stereotyped in the media as racists, then I'm going to bring it up. It doesn't matter if you say nobody is blaming all white people (a false assertion anyway). The OP is a criticism of popular culture, not people.

How are all white people being stereotyped as racist in the media? You probably want to back up and make a case for that first.
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13-10-2014, 02:29 AM (This post was last modified: 13-10-2014 08:21 AM by Spade=Spade.)
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness
(12-10-2014 09:40 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  And some white cops shoot black kids for no reason. What's your point? People of all races can experience racism. At this point, who are you arguing with?

Let's review the order of events here:

1) I assert that pop-culture draws associations between whiteness and racism.
2) You assert that "nobody" is saying all white people are racists.
3) I call this assertion false - which it is.
4) You provide the nonsensical response: "And some white cops shoot black kids for no reason"

Your response here does absolutely nothing to invalidate my initial assertion. Some white cops shoot black kids for no reason, just like some black teenagers commit crime for no reason. In each case, skin colour is not a causal determinant of the crime being committed... Understand so far?... So in each case, it is wrong for the media to draw stereotypes between a racial group and a crime.

My point is simply that it is just as wrong for pop-culture to frame racism as "white" as it is for it to frame crime as "black". Whether this outcome is intentional or not is irrelevant.

(12-10-2014 09:40 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  
(12-10-2014 02:53 AM)Spade=Spade Wrote:  Oh really? So I guess it would be really silly of Muslims to complain about the hate crimes they have experienced in the West, because according to you, Muslims don't get blamed for the actions of fringe terrorists.
When did I say anything even remotely similar? Again, who are you arguing with?

My point here (which again you seem to have missed) is as follows:

1) You asserted "We don't blame all muslims because the extremest are a fringe minority"
2) My response pointed out that your assertion is false because clearly Muslims do experience hate crimes against them.

So who is the "We" you are referring to when you say "We dont blame Muslims"?? If it refers to everybody, then your assertion is false. I have personally witnessed many people blaming all muslims for terrorism... If it refers to just you, then you have made the logical fallacy of thinking that because you are a good person, everybody else must be too.

(12-10-2014 09:40 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  How are all white people being stereotyped as racist in the media? You probably want to back up and make a case for that first.

First of all - what do you mean "all white people"... How can the media stereotype only some white people? What a weird comment.

Secondly, I have made a case for it already. You probably just haven't read through all my posts in this thread... It's interesting though that we suddenly have to support reports of racism with data when it's white racism. This doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for any other types of racism. Kinda highlights my OP to be honest.
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13-10-2014, 02:32 AM
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13-10-2014, 03:21 AM
RE: The hidden attack on whiteness
(13-10-2014 02:29 AM)Spade=Spade Wrote:  
(12-10-2014 09:40 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  And some white cops shoot black kids for no reason. What's your point? People of all races can experience racism. At this point, who are you arguing with?
When did I say anything even remotely similar? Again, who are you arguing with?

Where in my post was I claiming you said that??

My point here (which again you seem to have missed) is as follows:

1) You asserted "We don't blame all muslims because the extremest are a fringe minority"
2) My response pointed out that your assertion is false because clearly Muslims do experience hate crimes against them.

So who is the "We" you are referring to when you say "We dont blame Muslims"?? If it refers to everybody, then your assertion is false. I have personally witnessed many people blaming all muslims for terrorism... If it refers to just you, then you have made the logical fallacy of thinking that because you are a good person, everybody else must be too.

(12-10-2014 09:40 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  How are all white people being stereotyped as racist in the media? You probably want to back up and make a case for that first.

First of all - what do you mean "all white people"... How can the media stereotype only some white people? What a weird comment.

Secondly, I have made a case for it already. You probably just haven't read through all my posts in this thread... It's interesting though that we suddenly have to support reports of racism with data when it's white racism. This doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for any other types of racism. Kinda highlights my OP to be honest.

(13-10-2014 02:32 AM)Spade=Spade Wrote:  
(12-10-2014 09:40 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  And some white cops shoot black kids for no reason. What's your point? People of all races can experience racism. At this point, who are you arguing with?

Let's review the order of events here:

1) I assert that pop-culture draws associations between whiteness and racism.
2) You assert that "nobody" is blaming saying all white people are racists.
3) I call this assertion false - which it is.
4) You provide the nonsensical response: "And some white cops shoot black kids for no reason"

Your response here does absolutely nothing to invalidate my initial assertion. Some white cops shoot black kids for no reason, just like some black teenagers commit crime for no reason. In each case, skin colour is not a causal determinant of the crime being committed... Understand so far?... So in each case, it is wrong for the media to draw stereotypes between a racial group and a crime.

My point is simply that it is just as wrong for pop-culture to frame racism as a white as it is for it to frame crime as black.

(12-10-2014 02:53 AM)Spade=Spade Wrote:  Oh really? So I guess it would be really silly of Muslims to complain about the hate crimes they have experienced in the West, because according to you, Muslims don't get blamed for the actions of fringe terrorists.
(12-10-2014 09:40 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  When did I say anything even remotely similar? Again, who are you arguing with?

Where in my post was I claiming you said that??

My point here (which again you seem to have missed) is as follows:

1) You asserted "We don't blame all muslims because the extremest are a fringe minority"
2) My response pointed out that your assertion is false because clearly Muslims do experience hate crimes against them.

So who is the "We" you are referring to when you say "We dont blame Muslims"?? If it refers to everybody, then your assertion is false. I have personally witnessed many people blaming all muslims for terrorism... If it refers to just you, then you have made the logical fallacy of thinking that because you are a good person, everybody else must be too.

(12-10-2014 09:40 AM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  How are all white people being stereotyped as racist in the media? You probably want to back up and make a case for that first.

First of all - what do you mean "all white people"... How can the media stereotype only some white people? What a weird comment.

Secondly, I have made a case for it already. You probably just haven't read through all my posts in this thread... It's interesting though that we suddenly have to support reports of racism with data when it's white racism. This doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for any other types of racism. Kinda highlights my OP to be honest.

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