The hypocracy of atheism
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20-08-2014, 03:36 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(19-08-2014 01:30 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(19-08-2014 11:42 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  If you believe that logic isn't absolute, you don't.

What is absolute logic?

Perfect logic. You know, like 2+2=4. If you don't believe in logic, se6se5n56346n xdrddtryhfthretrye5ye. Facepalm

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20-08-2014, 03:56 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(20-08-2014 03:36 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(19-08-2014 01:30 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  What is absolute logic?

Perfect logic. You know, like 2+2=4. If you don't believe in logic, se6se5n56346n xdrddtryhfthretrye5ye. Facepalm

Except that''s arithmetic, not logic. Drinking Beverage

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20-08-2014, 03:59 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(20-08-2014 03:56 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(20-08-2014 03:36 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Perfect logic. You know, like 2+2=4. If you don't believe in logic, se6se5n56346n xdrddtryhfthretrye5ye. Facepalm

Except that''s arithmetic, not logic. Drinking Beverage

Same thing, really.

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20-08-2014, 04:00 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(20-08-2014 03:36 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(19-08-2014 01:30 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  What is absolute logic?

Perfect logic. You know, like 2+2=4. If you don't believe in logic, se6se5n56346n xdrddtryhfthretrye5ye. Facepalm

I can't be the only person who thinks that using a synonym to replace one word does not help to define the phrase.

As Chas pointed out, that's not really logic. While mathematics does tend to be logical (for some, not me), that's likely because much of human logic follows the same patterns as math, but neither is based in each other as I understand it.

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20-08-2014, 04:20 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(20-08-2014 04:00 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  While mathematics does tend to be logical (for some, not me), that's likely because much of human logic follows the same patterns as math, but neither is based in each other as I understand it.

Actually, Bertrand Russell was convinced that they were basically the same thing, and he and Whitehead went to rather great lengths to try to prove that. I don't think they quite got there, but I don't think Russell ever abandoned that belief either.
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20-08-2014, 04:27 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(20-08-2014 04:20 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(20-08-2014 04:00 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  While mathematics does tend to be logical (for some, not me), that's likely because much of human logic follows the same patterns as math, but neither is based in each other as I understand it.

Actually, Bertrand Russell was convinced that they were basically the same thing, and he and Whitehead went to rather great lengths to try to prove that. I don't think they quite got there, but I don't think Russell ever abandoned that belief either.

Well, the only real similarity is that they are both formal systems.

And there isn't just one arithmetic or just one logic, either. What we use are interpretations of formal axiomatic systems.

This was the area of my educational concentration in maths, so I get quite picky about the understanding of it. Drinking Beverage

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20-08-2014, 04:43 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(20-08-2014 03:19 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(19-08-2014 01:26 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  My logic comes from a process of synaptic association (or Hebbian learning) between neurons in my brain.

How do you know this?

(19-08-2014 01:26 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  This allows the brain to learn cause and effect, co-incidence, temporal sequences and patterns of behaviour that provide utility.

How do you know this?

(19-08-2014 01:26 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  This has allowed me to learn the different forms of logic that were taught to me and invented by other humans.

How do you know this?

(19-08-2014 01:26 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Through synaptic association, my brain recognises that circular reasoning does not allow for criticial thinking.

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20-08-2014, 04:44 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(20-08-2014 04:43 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(20-08-2014 03:19 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  How do you know this?


How do you know this?


How do you know this?


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How do you know that you've actually read those books and are not a brain in a vat?

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20-08-2014, 04:45 PM
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
Didn't they (Russell and Whitehead) try to derive arithmetic (and mathematics in general) from basic logical principles, and come pretty close to succeeding?

I realize that not all mathematicians subscribe to this view/approach, but some do (or did). Didn't Hilbert also think that the Russell/Whitehead program was feasible?

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20-08-2014, 04:47 PM (This post was last modified: 20-08-2014 04:53 PM by Mathilda.)
RE: The hypocracy of atheism
(20-08-2014 03:20 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(19-08-2014 01:13 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  How can you be a realist when you can only think in absolutes and therefore can't even the following question.

Does a fantasy exist?

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid611310

A fantasy, by definition, does not exist.

I have a copy of The Hobbit in both German and English. I have a copy of The Lord of the Rings. I have DVDs of the films and remember watching them at the cinema.

I have a lesbian fantasy involving Mary Poppins with a double ended strap-on. Are you telling me that I don't have that fantasy because it does not exist?
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