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06-05-2014, 02:05 PM
RE: The importance of being remembered
(06-05-2014 01:28 PM)living thing Wrote:  For example, gathering during solar solstices and equinoxes is silly because it depends on the inclination of the planet's rotation axis with respect to its orbital plane.
No, it's brilliant. It's a lot better than what we have now, and there is no more reliable time schedule than the solar year.

(06-05-2014 01:28 PM)living thing Wrote:  Should human beings migrate to different planets with different orbital features, your suggestions might not even apply.
Then they will generate a more appropriate schedule.

(06-05-2014 01:28 PM)living thing Wrote:  But this planet will not be hospitable for ever, so if you really want your guidance to be applicable for ever, you need to take into account interplanetary migration.
Keeping track of the solar events, and impending events that you describe, is the reason for the schedule - does the current political charters have provisions for such?

(06-05-2014 01:28 PM)living thing Wrote:  Also, if your social contract will benefit all humanity, why do your delegates need security escorts?
This is serious business, and some people consider themselves vulnerable to political opposition. The security for our current politicians does not help your argument - why doesn't the Constitution lead to what it is you are expecting???

(06-05-2014 01:28 PM)living thing Wrote:  Do you foresee people who are not sufficiently benefitted by your social contract and who might have the desire to change it?
It is amendable.

(06-05-2014 01:28 PM)living thing Wrote:  Please tell me about clause "250. Institution of Trust". How do you plan to institute trust? Through "security escorts"?
The state attorney generals are the legislative body in control of the federal treasury and Department of the Interior

(06-05-2014 01:28 PM)living thing Wrote:  I must confess I don't really see the novelty in your social contract. Thanks for sharing it, though!
You're welcome - too bad you cannot offer anything as proof that you really understand how to organize a modern sophisticated society.

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06-05-2014, 02:10 PM
RE: The importance of being remembered
(06-05-2014 01:50 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  The previous ZIP file was the wrong document.
While I appreciate your efforts to share some information you deem important, I also realise that you have the ability to open up new threads in order to promote your ideas, and it would be intelligent of you to do so, because hiding your documents in unrelated threads reduces their visibility.

If you are really interested in having your proposal for a social contract examined, the best way to draw other people's attention to it would be starting a thread called "My proposal for a social contract", or something similar. That way, if people want to search for it in the future, they can use keywords like "social contract" instead of having to remember a thread titled "The importance of being remembered", which has nothing to do with the promotion of your social contract. Unless...

... you want to be remembered for providing humanity with an everlasting social contract. Is that it? Do you want your social contract to be your memorable achievement?

I thank you again for your contributions to this thread, but I hope you will excuse me if I don't download them; I'm picky when it comes to downloading stuff off the internet.

Enjoy!
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06-05-2014, 02:21 PM
RE: The importance of being remembered
(06-05-2014 02:05 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  The security for our current politicians does not help your argument - why doesn't the Constitution lead to what it is you are expecting???
My argument? My argument in this thread is that being remembered after our deaths is irrelevant. Why should the security for our current politicians help my argument?

(06-05-2014 02:05 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  You're welcome - too bad you cannot offer anything as proof that you really understand how to organize a modern sophisticated society.
The fact that I am not convinced by your claims of ability to organise a modern sophisticated society does not imply that I have such ability, and therefore my proof is unnecessary.

Can you please provide proof that you really understand what this thread is about? So far, you don't seem to have the slightest clue. And you really expect me to believe that you understand all problems and their solutions, when you seem unable to understand something as simple as this thread's topic? Well, good luck with your social contract.
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06-05-2014, 02:38 PM
RE: The importance of being remembered
(06-05-2014 02:21 PM)living thing Wrote:  My argument? My argument in this thread is that being remembered after our deaths is irrelevant. Why should the security for our current politicians help my argument?
Your argument related to the post that I was answering - genius.

(06-05-2014 02:21 PM)living thing Wrote:  The fact that I am not convinced by your claims of ability to organise a modern sophisticated society does not imply that I have such ability, and therefore my proof is unnecessary.
If you had anything, you would be like me - eager to discuss it with someone who is competent.

(06-05-2014 02:21 PM)living thing Wrote:  Can you please provide proof that you really understand what this thread is about? So far, you don't seem to have the slightest clue. And you really expect me to believe that you understand all problems and their solutions, when you seem unable to understand something as simple as this thread's topic? Well, good luck with your social contract.
  1. scientists
  2. philosophers
  3. politicians
  4. technicians

If you are not remembered by your family and friends, you are probably not an important person and it may be questionable as to your worth to society - you should try.

(06-05-2014 02:10 PM)living thing Wrote:  While I appreciate your efforts to share some information you deem important, I also realise that you have the ability to open up new threads in order to promote your ideas, and it would be intelligent of you to do so, because hiding your documents in unrelated threads reduces their visibility.
Stop responding

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06-05-2014, 03:23 PM
RE: The importance of being remembered
(06-05-2014 02:38 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Stop responding
Oh, I eventually will, don't worry. But not yet. I'm sure the OP won't mind me staying off topic for a while. My apologies to other readers, though.

(06-05-2014 02:38 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 02:21 PM)living thing Wrote:  My argument? My argument in this thread is that being remembered after our deaths is irrelevant. Why should the security for our current politicians help my argument?
Your argument related to the post that I was answering - genius.
Thanks for the compliment, although coming from you, I take it as worthless.

I commented on the text linked to by your post...
(06-05-2014 01:11 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Sure;

An overview can be found at http://www.secularlibrary.info
... with the question...
(06-05-2014 01:28 PM)living thing Wrote:  why do your delegates need security escorts?
... to which you replied...
(06-05-2014 02:05 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  This is serious business, and some people consider themselves vulnerable to political opposition. The security for our current politicians does not help your argument - why doesn't the Constitution lead to what it is you are expecting???
So what exactly is my argument?

(06-05-2014 02:38 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  If you had anything, you would be like me - eager to discuss it with someone who is competent.
I'm glad I'm not like you.

(06-05-2014 02:38 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 02:21 PM)living thing Wrote:  Can you please provide proof that you really understand what this thread is about?
  1. scientists
  2. philosophers
  3. politicians
  4. technicians
Is that your proof?

(06-05-2014 02:38 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  If you are not remembered by your family and friends, you are probably not an important person and it may be questionable as to your worth to society - you should try.
Try what? Being remembered after my death? And how exactly do I try that?

Every notion is questionable. For example, was the anonymous inventor of the wheel worth to society? Hmmm... I'd say yes.

Come on, TrainWreck, cheer up. You will probably be forgotten soon after your death, just like I and most others will, but that does not mean you are worthless to society. If you do manage to provide something useful, your life may end up being relevant. So I wish you good luck, although I hope you're not planning to impose your social contract just like so many other previous dictators have tried to impose their social contracts.

Thanks again for your propaganda. Have a good day!
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06-05-2014, 07:54 PM
RE: The importance of being remembered
(06-05-2014 03:23 PM)living thing Wrote:  Oh, I eventually will, don't worry. But not yet. I'm sure the OP won't mind me staying off topic for a while
Then don't complain - genius.

(06-05-2014 03:23 PM)living thing Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 02:05 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  This is serious business, and some people consider themselves vulnerable to political opposition. The security for our current politicians does not help your argument - why doesn't the Constitution lead to what it is you are expecting???
So what exactly is my argument?
Your argument is that my charter system does not provide the vision of peace, prosperity, and tranquility, because of my allowance for security for the traveling delegates participating in the mark-up and ratification process.

My argument is that the current constitution is not leading us towards that which you are envisioning as is evident by the security that the politicians require.

(06-05-2014 03:23 PM)living thing Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 02:38 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
  1. scientists
  2. philosophers
  3. politicians
  4. technicians
Is that your proof?
That, and the following statement.

(06-05-2014 02:38 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  If you are not remembered by your family and friends, you are probably not an important person and it may be questionable as to your worth to society - you should try.
Try what? Being remembered after my death? And how exactly do I try that?[/quote]try being a better person - asshole.

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06-05-2014, 11:42 PM
RE: The importance of being remembered
The main reason many are so desperate to be remembered is that they don't actually believe (although they will fool themselves into thinking that) there is an afterlife.

So, to be remembered is like having an afterlife and forever eternal.
So long as people remember your name and remember the horrible / Good things you did in your life. Its like you live on.

Anyone notice the BAD people of history are Gargantuanly disproportionately remembered and recorded in history books than good people?

Remember kids! If you want to be remembered forever and ever. Genocide, or kill 1000 people with your bare hands or do something inhumanly horrible that becomes an international incident that its considered a global disaster!
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07-05-2014, 12:48 AM
RE: The importance of being remembered
(06-05-2014 07:54 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  ...
Hello again, TrainWreck, thanks for your fascinating perspective.

Anything else you wish to add?
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07-05-2014, 01:10 AM
RE: The importance of being remembered
Hello Shadow Fox, welcome to this thread.

I agree with you; those who seem to ask for their remembrance seem to be asking for immortality. When I was little, there used to be a TV series with an opening theme that said something like "Fame! I wanna live forever..." Of course, being a idea in someone else's mind can occur during our lifetime, but it does not imply that we are alive, it only implies that someone else is. People who think that by being remembered they will live forever don't seem to understand what life is or how it works.

I also agree with your observation of how poorly we seem to choose our idols; I think I may have mentioned it in another thread as well as this one. By remembering the people who have been most detrimental to humanity, we are encouraging some of those who want to live forever to attempt being even more detrimental to humanity, just so that they will be remembered too. That is why I generally refuse to name the bastards in history and instead try to remember those who have provided the rest of us with something that was useful for us; I'd like to encourage others to seek imaginary immortality in doing things that are beneficial for others.

In all, I think my view on this subject is similar to yours. Thanks for sharing it!

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07-05-2014, 01:19 AM
RE: The importance of being remembered
(06-05-2014 11:42 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  So, to be remembered is like having an afterlife and forever eternal.
So long as people remember your name and remember the horrible / Good things you did in your life. Its like you live on.
I wonder if that is not the reason why some people would rather have plenty of negative reputation points rather than no reputation at all.

Giving negative reputation points is a way of acknowledging someone, and internet trolls probably feed on that too.
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