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03-05-2013, 01:12 AM
RE: The job conundrum.
(02-05-2013 11:56 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  No fuck you atheists you are causing unemployment? No, fuck you atheists you deserve to work at mcdonalds with your 50K degrees??

Egor? Hello?

I think he's been possessed.

That's why I can't be religious anymore. When it comes to food, clothes, a safe place to live, and some basic dignity, what we believe is nonsense. All that matters then is that we do for each other. God can sort out the rest later.

I know this, if he won't send me to hell, and He wont, then He can't send someone I love to hell, can he? And I don't want any of you to suffer. I've never wanted that, ever. Weeping

yes, it's too much 7&7, but I really do mean it. The etoh is starting to make me queezy. I think I might have to pray to the porcelain god tonight.
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03-05-2013, 01:19 AM
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(02-05-2013 06:52 PM)Elesjei Wrote:  That's basically what I see in my part of Canada.

Every job listing requires experience way above the level that it did years ago. I was looking at landscaping jobs a while ago, and while in 2008 to get a job as a junior gardener (cutting trees, bushes, planting things) you'd need "1 to 7 months experience". Now, every similar job says 3-5 years. 3-5 years, to be a part-time assistant. Normally your wage after working for a few years would be around $16/hour, but now every job is $12/hour at most.

Also, no one respects degrees. I've seen so many people working cash or sales at retail stores who have degrees in everything from psychology to history to social work. It seems you need to be a scar-faced veteran to get an "entry-level" job in your field.

OMG you're right. Psych techs at our facility make $10 USD to start--if they have a B.Sc. in psychology or sociology. For that they run the risk of being beaten to death by a psychotic patient while we nurses watch from behind wired glass windows. (Well, not me. I'm a murse and am expected to get my ass beat with the rest of the scumbags with psych degrees. Welcome to 2013.).

It was 7&7's. I kept mixing them stronger and stronger. I'll be vomiting tonight, I have no doubt.

Quote:And it seems every company larger than a small, 6-man business outsources human resources to employment service companies like the retards at 'Apple One'. For one, the people are incompetent and have no clue what the jobs they try to connect you with are. Secondly, they completely ignore any preferences you give them, especially travel distance. No, I don't have a car, so I can't go to the god-damned lakeshore. Over 5 hours of commuting per day for an 8-hour job? **** you. Do you know that the local bus schedule is online? Can't you check to make sure I'm not making the journey to Mecca every day just to earn a few bucks?

Everyone said Canada was doing great! Except for the Canadian murse at our facility who just got his US citizenship. Now he can be laid off with the rest of us yanks.

[quote]The worst companies are those like Petsmart, that use these idiotic systems where you fill out an online form that rejects everyone who doesn't select the exact answers that the company has chosen for the position. If the question is, "how comfortable are you working in a high stress environment?", and you say "very", you get rejected because you aren't extreme enough. You have to pretend that the minimum wage job is the best thing you have ever heard of, that it is your life goal to work there. Anything less means your resume is tossed in the trash. Even if you answer what they want, they don't give you what type of job you sign up for. You want to do grooming? Too bad, you're on cash every day 'till you quit.

I ran into this where I work, and it is the utter reality: The best $10 an hour psych techs, the ones who will never be fired, are the ones who don't want anything else in life. They just want to watch the ball game and be a psych tech. Those ones who come in for "experience" on their way to an MSW in counseling are looked at like pond scum. This is the reality of the new world. You want to be an engineer? You better invent something that can sell.

Quote:Even though legally internships are supposed to be paid, nobody pays interns. And they require interns to already have significant experience with the job. The reality is, they aren't getting interns to build up new workers who will continue on as permanent workers, they just want free labour. It's cheaper to get interns with years of experience than it is to pay them as regular employees to do the same job. 40 hours of slave labour a week.

Capitalism doesn't work. I don't give a shit what people say. Maybe Soviet Communism doesn't work either or European socialism, but damn, can't someone in one of these colleges invent a better way? No. Because human life, in the end, is cheap. We'd all get paid more if there were less humans.

I don't believe that. But capitalist pigs do.

Quote:The answer is greed. The job market was terrible, and once people were out of work, companies saw the opportunity. Why pay newbies to do entry-level jobs when you can get veterans to do the same thing for the same price?

When I was a teen, at MacDonalds, everyone was a teen except the manager. Now I see that everyone is over thirty. Good Lord, what are we going to do? Somewhere out there is a mathematical genius who's going to have to beg to be a landscaper. Someone out there is the next Vermeer or Pollack, and their going to have to beg to work at Wal-Mart. I can't even go to Wal-Mart without wanting to burst into tears for all the should-be retirees working there.
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03-05-2013, 01:31 AM
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I mean, it's not like working is all that great. I have to work tomorrow night. I start my three-day rotation. This is the only scene that comes to mind...

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03-05-2013, 08:24 AM
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(02-05-2013 11:29 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  This. Except the government manipulation of money bit considering government is what is keeping that inflation at 0.5 or 1 or 1.5% rather then 20% this year, 5% that year -2% the year after etc..

Do you ever wonder why when fiat currency loses value, gold and other commodity metals retain theirs or, even go up in value? They do so because they are in a finite supply. When currency is tied to finite resources, it too retains its value. It is only when governments unhinge the money supply from tangible assets and flood the market with currency that inflation happens and, it's a simple supply and demand calculation.

When there are more widgets than widget buyers, the price falls. When there is more currency than there is real wealth to back it, the price of money falls.

And when the state tinkers with interest rates in an attempt to hold off inflation, the market becomes distorted, malinvestment occurs and you either see a recession or a boom... or the makings of the next one.

There will always be market fluctuations, but the boom/bust cycle is purely caused by fiat currency and nation states attempting to control its value.

Look back at the market fluctuations of nineteenth century America up until 1913, when the federal reserve bank was formed and then look at the booms and busts that have occurred in the last 100 years.

You'll find small boom and recessions, the latter lasting for maybe a year in the nineteenth century. In the twentieth, well... we have depressions now.

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03-05-2013, 08:45 AM
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(03-05-2013 01:19 AM)Egor Wrote:  [quote]Capitalism doesn't work. I don't give a shit what people say. Maybe Soviet Communism doesn't work either or European socialism, but damn, can't someone in one of these colleges invent a better way? No. Because human life, in the end, is cheap. We'd all get paid more if there were less humans.

I don't believe that. But capitalist pigs do.

There is no capitalism in the US and there hasn't been in at least the last century. There is crony capitalism, where the richest businessmen collude with the rich in politics to rig the market in their favor. That is not capitalism.

Capitalism is two people agreeing on an exchange of goods or services and both walking away from the table better off. It's you selling me a lawnmower. It's an eight year old selling glasses of lemonade for a quarter. It's a man investing his life savings into a new business and then selling his product to willing buyers.

What we have now is onerous regulations and cost prohibitive licensing fees that only the richest businesses can afford. This ensures that you can't take your life savings and enter into competition with a large corporation, even if you have a superior product or service to offer the market. That's crony capitalism, not free market capitalism. As George Carlin said, it's a big club... and you ain't in it.

In a true, free market capitalist society, the more people there are, the better. Because there is more labor for business to choose from, more products/services for consumers to choose from and more competition for both, which drives costs down and makes everything more accessible to everyone.

There are two hold outs of true capitalism in the US and they're consumer electronics and surgical vision correction. Both of those industries are highly unregulated and unsubsidized, respective to their sister industries. In the past twenty years, costs have consistently dropped in those industries while at the same time technology has vastly improved.

The electronic components in a LASIK machine are the same as those in an MRI machine, albeit differently arranged. Yet the cost of an MRI machine and the cost of an MRI are orders of magnitude more expensive than the costs of a LASIK machine or LASIK surgery. I'm not a medical professional but I would reckon that the danger of leaving the LASIK table blind is a lot higher than the danger of leaving the MRI machine with some life affecting injury.

So why is an MRI so much more expensive?

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03-05-2013, 08:51 AM
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(02-05-2013 11:48 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(02-05-2013 05:51 PM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  Maybe someone here can shed some light on this.

America is said to be in hard financial times. For a number of months the jobless rate has he'd steady at over 9% nationwide. In recent times it has dropped to 7.6% nationally, but some analysts say that's a result of the unemployed simply giving up and ceasing to file with unemployment offices. Over 40% of all college graduates are completely overqualified for the work they do.

Ironically if you look at job sites like Monster, Careerbuilder, etc or Department of Workforce Services, there seems to be no lack of employment opportunities there for just about every career field you can imagine. I see jobs daily that I'm more than capable of doing out there by the hundreds, even thousands.

But when I apply, the resume seems to disappear into a black hole, never to be heard from again.

It's become my conclusion that the jobless rates and unemployment are directly the fault of the companies themselves.

1) There are no entry level jobs anymore. It seems these days that every job listed requires 5 years of experience. I'm not sure if this is the fault of a bunch of bureaucratic assholes who run the HR departments themselves or the fault of greedy and lazy management who won't spend the time and money to train new employees. At any rate, in theory, absolutely no one would be eligible for employment. Even the most stellar students coming out of the finest universities are not competitive for these requirements. It used to be that college would count for professional experience. Not anymore. And the companies are so odious and arrogant about this; I recently saw a job ad for a cashier at McDonalds. It listed '3 years experience as a cashier required. Bachelor's Degree required.' I about fell out of my chair laughing. All this does is encourage employees to lie and be deceptive on their applications; there is no other way to get around these requirements unless you do this.

2) Almost no opportunities for volunteering and internships to build up experience. No one will bring these people onboard to gain the required skills by working for free.

3). Keyword scanners. Every job description has a series of keywords embedded in them. When you submit a resume, companies use screening software to scan and find these keywords in your resume. If all keywords are not present, the resume is rejected. A quality engineer who does not describe themselves as a 'senior technology quality specialist' is screened out, despite the fact that they have done they exact same job. This again begins to breed wordsmiths which pack their resumes with every fucking keyword on the planet and complete flowery bullshit language to describe tasks such as cleaning toilets and making beds. Jesus wept.

4) The cunts which run temp shops. Are you a brainless twat who doesn't know shit from shinola about the jobs you are recruiting for? Good! You can be a recruiter for Kelly Services, Snelling, Volt, etc. these assholes are resume screening spiders in the flesh. What's more, they have very few scruples and are dumber than a bag of rocks. You can be rejected for a job, rewrite and resubmit you with some keyword or obscure software program and they'll hire you all in about 20 minutes. It doesn't matter if it's a lie, they just do this!

Am I missing anything here in coming to this conclusion?

OMG. You had me at economics. I have two bizzare obsessions. One is learning cheezy pop songs on the bass guitar, the other is reading economic news.

You have really posted something here. I had no idea that's what it was like. I'm a nurse, and things are pretty straight forward: ICU experience? Yes. You know someone in our ICU and you play well with others? Yes. You're hired. But I have wondered what it was like for say a new Business graduate, or someone with a degree in Basket Weaving. Truth is, I don't see any hope for young grads. Except this: Go out and create a business. America was built on entrepreneurialism for one reason--it has horrible recessions and depressions. The only thing left is to start a business of your own.

OMG I'm too drunk to post. I'm just going to read.

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03-05-2013, 08:58 AM
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Businesses can afford to be more selective, so they are.

The same thing applies to universities in a bad economy. When people lose their jobs or get laid off, some tend to go back to school. Graduate schools then get more applicants, so they can be more selective. It sucks because if you have all the qualifications necessary one year, you may still lose out the next because of the number being accepted or the quality of the average student submitting an application or someone submitting an application who has skills from their previous job you don't have.

It sucks in the same way because I look out at the landscape of professors who want to take on students, and I know that they are getting more applicants than usual, are taking fewer than they normally do, and the disparity between the best applicant and the worst is much higher. How do you sift through all the applications you get? You have to set some criteria for selection from the outset. Test scores, GPA, school applying from, etc. Only after you pass that, do the letters of recommendation get looked at and only after those do interviews get scheduled.

Should a cashier at McDonald's need 3 years experience and a degree? Hell no. But that might be the average applicant now for whatever area that McDonald's is in, so if you can set the bar that high, you would too.
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03-05-2013, 12:03 PM
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(03-05-2013 08:51 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:

So, I read your post, I give you my view in a polite way, and you call me a dickhead. Okay, well excuse me if I'm not too sympathetic that you can't get a job. I'm wondering if it might have to do with the way you come across and not really market forces. Consider
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03-05-2013, 12:08 PM
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(03-05-2013 08:58 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Should a cashier at McDonald's need 3 years experience and a degree? Hell no. But that might be the average applicant now for whatever area that McDonald's is in, so if you can set the bar that high, you would too.

The problem with B.Sc. graduates as cashiers is that they can't stand that kind of work. Most people are only satisfied in a job when they are almost at the limit of their intellectual capabilities in that job.

Where I work, the best psych techs do not have psych degrees. The worst ones do. The best ones are the ones who don't want to be anything but a psych tech, and they're proud to have such an important job.
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03-05-2013, 12:21 PM
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Croatia has this problem solved. We don't use those fancy word scanners, we simply take your application and then if you have no "connections" to push that application, it is simply ignored and thrown away.

Pure and simple, you need a cousin or something like that in the right place (politics preferred) to get a good job in a good company.

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