The legalization of marijuana and other drugs
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26-02-2011, 08:43 PM
 
The legalization of marijuana and other drugs
The "drug war" here in the United States has been a large issue. We spend millions of dollars, send millions of minor drug offenders to prison, and in the end come out not only with no real reform but in greater debt.

I supported the legalization of marijuana here in California when it came up on ballot, not because I am a pothead, but because it would reverse California's debt. If we stopped sending minor marijuana offenders to prison, and if we sold and marketed marijuana, we would significantly put a dent in the statewide debt.

It didn't pass, which I already sort of expected. If the gay marriage proposition couldn't pass in a liberal state such as California, I had little hope for the legalization of marijuana.

This brings me to the issue of drugs in general, what should and should not be legal? Big tobacco and alcohol bring in billions in revenue, yet we outlaw marijuana which has been show to be LESS lethal than tobacco. As far as hard drugs, I'm on the fence. I think people should have a right to fuck up their bodies as much as they wish, they'll have to suffer the consequences when the time comes.

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26-02-2011, 10:31 PM
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I think weed should be legal starting tomorrow. I think Buddy_Christ will back me up on that Smile I'm in no hurry to legalize anything else though. There are some things I could lean for and some things I would lean against legalizing, and a lot of it has to do with I don't want to deal with people on these drugs. Potheads can be enough of a nuisance in public as it is, and I've been accused of being one myself. I think the benefit of marijuana far exceeds any risk factors that can be thought of. The last year that I was using it, I used it more as a pain control than anything else. I can't believe there is such a wonderful and safe substance out there and people like cancer patients have to jump through hoops or move to other states to get it. I hear it's easy to get a license in california but other states have varying degrees of difficulty getting it.

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26-02-2011, 11:00 PM
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all drugs should be legalized

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27-02-2011, 12:40 AM
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(26-02-2011 10:31 PM)cfhmagnet Wrote:  Potheads can be enough of a nuisance in public
I drove taxi for a while and played in many bars (taverns). I would rather deal with potheads than any other kind of intoxicated people. The are more laid back and much slower to anger and violence than any other self-impaired characters.

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27-02-2011, 01:49 AM
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Pot, yes legalize it, I don't usually get along with frequent users, but hell, it isn't as dangerous as alcohol, nor as deadly as tobacco, we can't stop it's usage as it is, why not make a profit? There is only upsides economically! It wouldn't change anything socially, it's stupid not to legalize it really. However, hard drugs, I am fully against legalizing, even the biggest pothead might say they will never do crack. And I have seen a lot of the effects of hard drugs, the people look positively terrifying.
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27-02-2011, 09:33 AM
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I feel that all drugs should be legalized. Saying you can't do something is the most dangerous stance you can have. The hard drugs which are popular enough are generally popular either for their controlling features or because they are illegal. And it's a fact that all illegal drugs are dangerous in the fact that you can be sold a bad batch, with no consequences for sellers doing this (it's the same difference if you sell people clean drugs as if you sell them instantly lethal ones). If drugs were more regulated there would be work by drug companies to lower the lethalness of them in order to keep users buying.

If some of the horrible drugs became legal I think most people would see the risk as too great. and anyway to bypass legality druggies find ways to create hazardous drugs out of legal ones. Give them crack and they won't be using other drugs in it's place. If people are allowed to take the hazards of drinking and smoking even though it's obviously bad for you, then why stop there?

I am for legalization, but I am also for control. I think it's correct to demand liquor liscenses on etablishments, and prevent smoking in most public places. when you bring your dangerous habit out in the public you endanger others. while this can never be fully controlled I think stipulations help. Just saying no flat out always leads to trouble, especially with the ones who tend to die over durugs teenagers.

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27-02-2011, 09:50 AM
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(27-02-2011 12:40 AM)No J. Wrote:  
(26-02-2011 10:31 PM)cfhmagnet Wrote:  Potheads can be enough of a nuisance in public
I drove taxi for a while and played in many bars (taverns). I would rather deal with potheads than any other kind of intoxicated people. The are more laid back and much slower to anger and violence than any other self-impaired characters.
Absolutely. I meant that they CAN be a nuisance, not that they definitely are. I had to work for a convenience store for a little over a year, and the potheads were normally the best customers. I had my regular potheads that were jerks, but they beat out alcoholics and sober people for friendliness more often than not.
(27-02-2011 09:33 AM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  I feel that all drugs should be legalized. Saying you can't do something is the most dangerous stance you can have. The hard drugs which are popular enough are generally popular either for their controlling features or because they are illegal. And it's a fact that all illegal drugs are dangerous in the fact that you can be sold a bad batch, with no consequences for sellers doing this (it's the same difference if you sell people clean drugs as if you sell them instantly lethal ones). If drugs were more regulated there would be work by drug companies to lower the lethalness of them in order to keep users buying.

If some of the horrible drugs became legal I think most people would see the risk as too great. and anyway to bypass legality druggies find ways to create hazardous drugs out of legal ones. Give them crack and they won't be using other drugs in it's place. If people are allowed to take the hazards of drinking and smoking even though it's obviously bad for you, then why stop there?

I am for legalization, but I am also for control. I think it's correct to demand liquor liscenses on etablishments, and prevent smoking in most public places. when you bring your dangerous habit out in the public you endanger others. while this can never be fully controlled I think stipulations help. Just saying no flat out always leads to trouble, especially with the ones who tend to die over durugs teenagers.
"Controlling" where someone can and can't smoke is still telling them they can't do something. How is that ok while telling them they can't do pcp isn't?

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27-02-2011, 10:47 AM
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Because controlling isn't exactly saying it's impossible, it simply says it's not done here. People still smoke they just smoke where they can, there are millions of things people accept in control. for instance, people in general don't fight agressively to be nude in general because if they want to be nude there are places that they can be. Social control just says that there are times you accept not doing something because you want to do that thing.

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27-02-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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(27-02-2011 10:47 AM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  Social control just says that there are times you accept not doing something because you want to do that thing.

How Orwellian.
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27-02-2011, 12:13 PM
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That sentence was badly worded yes, but is it Orwellian to limit certain behaviors in specific circumstances? Like being on the job has a lot to do with a professional appearance, hygiene, attitude. There are times and places that things can be acceptable while not accepted in all situations. I'm stating that someone smoking in a restaraunt where people who don't smoke are in close proximity is controllable, the same as public places where children are allowed can't have porn available for purchase. It's not a private control it's a public control. The person who smokes is the person seen as the one taking an added risk so in circumstances where things clash their habit is the concession. They have the right to make a choice and smoke, and they would continue having the right to enter or not enter into places. Smokers aren't denied entry into establishments when the action of smoking is limited, they simply concede that action while in the building.

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