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13-10-2014, 05:40 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:39 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 05:32 PM)Chas Wrote:  And I am quite sure the majority of the members agree with that. There is a tiny minority who don't get it.

And the thing is banning the people who are screaming to be banned wouldn't change who we are as a forum, it would only add to the place since people would be willing to stay.

This isn't about removing someone just because we don't like what they say its about removing those who are here to cause harm and no good.
Lots of things have changed around here except the one thing that would make the biggest possible impact on the place. Some people just need to be removed for their actions.

Ironically enough, we have a rule for this sort of thing. It just isn't enforced.

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13-10-2014, 05:42 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:33 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  Ironically it seems like most of the arse holes have got 3 figure reputations, so maybe the entire environment is poison?

If they start spamming, threatening, stalking etc I'll be inclined to agree with you.

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13-10-2014, 05:43 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:26 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 05:24 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  If people refuse to use the built in forum features which are put there to protect them then what on earth can you do? You can't start blaming other people and then saying you are being victimised for being told to use the built in protection features. It's like a soldier who refuses to wear his kevlar and then sues the army after getting his lung shot out.

Nice analogy. I was trying to think of one but you've beaten me to it. I like analogies. Smile

Too bad he hasn't a clue about the circumstances and therefore his opinion isn't worth much. You, on the other hand, haven't much excuse for the way you look at victims of harassment and think putting someone on ignore is good enough. As if that could fix everything. I personally invoked ignore on the very first day. And then had someone remove every picture of myself and my children and then I left. I left and the FT left everyone else here in danger if being victimized. If I had it to do over again I would PM every single admin, supermod, and mod every day. I would give them every single disturbing gruesome detail of why I was upset. I would not use the ignore button and I would report every single PM. Then I would creat a thread to document all of this for everyone to see how scary things can get while some people are still cheering "let's don't ban him, he hasn't broken any rules".

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13-10-2014, 05:44 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:40 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  Ironically enough, we have a rule for this sort of thing. It just isn't enforced.

I know I was the one that wrote the second draft of the rules when I was a mod. (they have been redone since then)

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13-10-2014, 05:46 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:39 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 05:32 PM)Chas Wrote:  And I am quite sure the majority of the members agree with that. There is a tiny minority who don't get it.

And the thing is banning the people who are screaming to be banned wouldn't change who we are as a forum, it would only add to the place since people would be willing to stay.

This isn't about removing someone just because we don't like what they say its about removing those who are here to cause harm and no good.
Lots of things have changed around here except the one thing that would make the biggest possible impact on the place. Some people just need to be removed for their actions.

And some for their inaction. Dodgy

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13-10-2014, 05:48 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:33 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  Tell ya all what, as there seem to be some opinions that are not quite matching up between myself and a few more vocal people, if any of those people wanna Skype me and explain what they're saying in a way that is far more efficient than on the forum, then shoot me a PM. I'll pass on whatever you want to be heard to the Admins when I next speak to them.

Of course I reserve the right to decide whether I actually wanna Skype with people on an individual basis.

Why should this be private? I would love to discuss it. If there's some big thing I am missing about why my safety is not valued here, then please share. But you have no idea what it took for me to be brave enough to speak out about this. I think it's something every member deserves to be privy to.

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13-10-2014, 05:51 PM
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(13-10-2014 05:43 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Too bad he hasn't a clue about the circumstances and therefore his opinion isn't worth much. You, on the other hand, haven't much excuse for the way you look at victims of harassment and think putting someone on ignore is good enough. As if that could fix everything. I personally invoked ignore on the very first day. And then had someone remove every picture of myself and my children and then I left. I left and the FT left everyone else here in danger if being victimized. If I had it to do over again I would PM every single admin, supermod, and mod every day. I would give them every single disturbing gruesome detail of why I was upset. I would not use the ignore button and I would report every single PM. Then I would creat a thread to document all of this for everyone to see how scary things can get while some people are still cheering "let's don't ban him, he hasn't broken any rules".

Forgive me, but this harassment that Forbes is accused of? Of all the PMs I've already been forwarded, precisely zero have contained any threats or anything even close to threats. They all seem to be little more than random sentences.

-People are receiving random sentences that are in no way threatening or even creepy, and they decide they don't want to.

-I mention to the one person who actually contacts me about it that if they don't want to receive said PMs they can block them. Person seems unhappy and says they are being sent out to a lot of other people.

-I spend going on an hour creating an entire new usergroup to prevent people receiving said PMs (it really took that long).

-Following that I mention that, in a general sense, if in future anyone wants to stop a person PMing them they can do so in a couple of clicks, and then I post exactly how it's done.

Sorry, failing to see what part of that was so awful. Please enlighten me as to what part you take issue with.

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13-10-2014, 05:52 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:48 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Why should this be private? I would love to discuss it. If there's some big thing I am missing about why my safety is not valued here, then please share. But you have no idea what it took for me to be brave enough to speak out about this. I think it's something every member deserves to be privy to.

See my above post.

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13-10-2014, 05:54 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:36 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 05:26 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Hug

Many hugs.

Several of us know that we have to take care of ourselves here because we cannot depend on the team Several of us also try to help those who don't have the strength to fight for themselves, again because the people that should, won't.

Even Seth.

Keep records, make reports, document things, take screen shots...not only of any harassment but also of any brushoffs when you have asked for help.

This forum is broken and it's broken at the top. That needs to be fixed but will require some egos to be checked. Too many good people have been hurt and feel abandoned and that's not the supportive nature this forum claims to promote.

Here is my gift to the one that wants me gone most of all - write it up as a violation of the code of conduct. Take my vet status, ban me as has been threatened.

This is my freedom of speech.

You are a fighter and I love that about you! I tend to be more of a duck and hide type person in this situation. It meant a lot to me to see that you guys all had my back. I made choices at the beginning of this that I regret. I am just not good at sticking up for myself, but I should have tried. I'm sorry for that. I should have made a bigger stir and I should have tried harder to make deidre see before she got hurt.

Your choices were the right ones for you. Some of us just tried to make sure things got made right and to protect others that may be here in the future. Unfortunately those efforts were unsuccessful. Many of us knew what you had been through and tried to see that anything like it was avoided, we just didn't have the power to get it done and that's too bad. As for Deirdre, many tried to protect her but in the end she made her own decisions. We were still here to try to act as a buffer.

Don't apologize for what wasn't any fault of yours.

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13-10-2014, 05:55 PM
RE: The link between female promiscuity and disloyalty
(13-10-2014 05:51 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(13-10-2014 05:43 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Too bad he hasn't a clue about the circumstances and therefore his opinion isn't worth much. You, on the other hand, haven't much excuse for the way you look at victims of harassment and think putting someone on ignore is good enough. As if that could fix everything. I personally invoked ignore on the very first day. And then had someone remove every picture of myself and my children and then I left. I left and the FT left everyone else here in danger if being victimized. If I had it to do over again I would PM every single admin, supermod, and mod every day. I would give them every single disturbing gruesome detail of why I was upset. I would not use the ignore button and I would report every single PM. Then I would creat a thread to document all of this for everyone to see how scary things can get while some people are still cheering "let's don't ban him, he hasn't broken any rules".

Forgive me, but this harassment that Forbes is accused of? Of all the PMs I've already been forwarded, precisely zero have contained any threats or anything even close to threats. They all seem to be little more than random sentences.

-People are receiving random sentences that are in no way threatening or even creepy, and they decide they don't want to.

-I mention to the one person who actually contacts me about it that if they don't want to receive said PMs they can block them. Person seems unhappy and says they are being sent out to a lot of other people.

-I spend going on an hour creating an entire new usergroup to prevent people receiving said PMs (it really took that long).

-Following that I mention that, in a general sense, if in future anyone wants to stop a person PMing them they can do so in a couple of clicks, and then I post exactly how it's done.

Sorry, failing to see what part of that was so awful. Please enlighten me as to what part you take issue with.

You made the decision to cut off PMs for people?

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