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08-02-2013, 07:11 AM
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
(07-02-2013 10:08 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 09:44 PM)Chas Wrote:  I admit when I'm wrong. This is not one of those times. Drinking Beverage

"Survival of the fittest" is not a Darwinism, and it is a mischaracterization used by anti-evolutionists.

It is not a valid or useful phrase in use by evolutionary biologists.

Stop changing the subject.

Your original claim was that Darwin didn't use that phrase in Origin of Species.

"Survival of the Fittest" still shows up in text books. As long as it's taught properly, the phrase sums it up nicely.

But you're entitled to your own opinion on it. This wasn't what we were debating you and I.

Claiming that "survival of the fittest" is in On the Origin of Species without noting it as a quote is misleading as it implies Darwin said it.

And, no, it does not sum it up nicely as it is misleading, simplistic, and easy to misuse, e.g. Social Darwinism.

It is a phrase to be abjured.

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08-02-2013, 08:26 AM
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
Maybe this will help clarify:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest

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08-02-2013, 08:39 AM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2013 08:43 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
(08-02-2013 08:26 AM)Impulse Wrote:  Maybe this will help clarify:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest

From the Wikipedia page...


"The phrase "survival of the fittest" is not generally used by modern biologists as the term does not accurately convey the meaning of natural selection, the term biologists use and prefer. Natural selection refers to differential reproduction as a function of traits that have a genetic basis. "Survival of the fittest" is inaccurate for two important reasons. First, survival is merely a normal prerequisite to reproduction. Second, fitness has specialized meaning in biology different from how the word is used in popular culture. In population genetics, fitness refers to differential reproduction. "Fitness" does not refer to whether an individual is "physically fit" – bigger, faster or stronger – or "better" in any subjective sense. It refers to a difference in reproductive rate from one generation to the next."


So can we all just agree that the phrase is not scientifically accurate (unlike the use of 'theory'), and thus should not be perpetuated on that basis alone; regardless of it's prior use or seeming importance?

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08-02-2013, 06:35 PM
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
(08-02-2013 07:11 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 10:08 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  Stop changing the subject.

Your original claim was that Darwin didn't use that phrase in Origin of Species.

"Survival of the Fittest" still shows up in text books. As long as it's taught properly, the phrase sums it up nicely.

But you're entitled to your own opinion on it. This wasn't what we were debating you and I.

Claiming that "survival of the fittest" is in On the Origin of Species without noting it as a quote is misleading as it implies Darwin said it.

And, no, it does not sum it up nicely as it is misleading, simplistic, and easy to misuse, e.g. Social Darwinism.

It is a phrase to be abjured.

No man. YOU asserted that it wasn't in Darwin's book.

I never even brought that book up. I simply said that Darwin himself used the phrase.

I don't care about the other aspects of this debate. You were wrong with your assertion and I linked you to sources proving as such.

As for the other part of this debate...

I don't use that phrase. I was just pointing out that it still exists in textbooks and that Darwin himself used it.

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08-02-2013, 07:09 PM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2013 07:18 PM by Chas.)
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
(08-02-2013 06:35 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 07:11 AM)Chas Wrote:  Claiming that "survival of the fittest" is in On the Origin of Species without noting it as a quote is misleading as it implies Darwin said it.

And, no, it does not sum it up nicely as it is misleading, simplistic, and easy to misuse, e.g. Social Darwinism.

It is a phrase to be abjured.

No man. YOU asserted that it wasn't in Darwin's book.

I never even brought that book up. I simply said that Darwin himself used the phrase.

I don't care about the other aspects of this debate. You were wrong with your assertion and I linked you to sources proving as such.

As for the other part of this debate...

I don't use that phrase. I was just pointing out that it still exists in textbooks and that Darwin himself used it.

Fine, it's in the 5th edition as a quote of what someone else called evolution.

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10-02-2013, 11:13 PM
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
(08-02-2013 07:09 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 06:35 PM)NoahsFarce Wrote:  No man. YOU asserted that it wasn't in Darwin's book.

I never even brought that book up. I simply said that Darwin himself used the phrase.

I don't care about the other aspects of this debate. You were wrong with your assertion and I linked you to sources proving as such.

As for the other part of this debate...

I don't use that phrase. I was just pointing out that it still exists in textbooks and that Darwin himself used it.

Fine, it's in the 5th edition as a quote of what someone else called evolution.
Chas...

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10-02-2013, 11:32 PM
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
Ladies, ladies please. You're both pretty. Can we move on now?

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10-02-2013, 11:46 PM
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(10-02-2013 11:32 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Ladies, ladies please. You're both pretty. Can we move on now?

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11-02-2013, 12:17 AM
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
(10-02-2013 11:46 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(10-02-2013 11:32 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Ladies, ladies please. You're both pretty. Can we move on now?

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22-02-2013, 12:18 AM
RE: "The mind is proof of god's existence."
Well, if someone were to say this to me, I would be highly offended. My mind has been messing with my emotions and trying to get me to kill myself for three years, at least one of which was a Christian year.

Did God create sociopaths, then? That is a mental condition.

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