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13-07-2016, 02:50 AM
The modern god that exists even to Atheists
[Sorry for the delay, my neighbourhood (as many other ones in my city Aleppo) was under heavy attacks after my last post (at the next early morning). Two heavy mortars missed my small apartment (on the roof) by a few meters and went down on the nearby street. The big damages were therefore in the stores (fortunately they weren’t open yet) and the low floors (hence mine wasn’t that big). Today is rather calm after the airplanes cleaned up (burned) the fronts from which the multi-national mercenaries launched thousands of mortars/missiles over the remaining citizens in the industrial city to force them flee.]

Let us be back to the subject of this thread Wink

Obviously, the most important word in its title is the word ‘god’.
So let us agree first how this word, at least in general, could be defined or understood:

[1] A god is not supposed being seen or heard by the ordinary/common people (like most members here and I Wink )

[2] A god has a set of rules that his believers should obey while believing blindly the stories supporting them.

[3] A god has representatives on earth who are given the right to apply god’s justice on the human race, not on his believers only.

I had to write this introduction because, as we will see, the image of the modern god also satisfies the above 3 main points Wink

But, as long I am concerned, please feel ‘free’ to express ‘any’ instructive comment about the 'word' god (not god or God). As you all know, ‘ALL’ sane mature people in the world talk about this word, in a way or another.

Thank you.

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13-07-2016, 03:07 AM
RE: The modern god that exists even to Atheists
(13-07-2016 02:50 AM)KerimF Wrote:  [Sorry for the delay, my neighbourhood (as many other ones in my city Aleppo) was under heavy attacks after my last post (at the next early morning). Two heavy mortars missed my small apartment (on the roof) by a few meters and went down on the nearby street. The big damages were therefore in the stores (fortunately they weren’t open yet) and the low floors (hence mine wasn’t that big). Today is rather calm after the airplanes cleaned up (burned) the fronts from which the multi-national mercenaries launched thousands of mortars/missiles over the remaining citizens in the industrial city to force them flee.]

Let us be back to the subject of this thread Wink

Obviously, the most important word in its title is the word ‘god’.
So let us agree first how this word, at least in general, could be defined or understood:

[1] A god is not supposed being seen or heard by the ordinary/common people (like most members here and I Wink )

[2] A god has a set of rules that his believers should obey while believing blindly the stories supporting them.

[3] A god has representatives on earth who are given the right to apply god’s justice on the human race, not on his believers only.

I had to write this introduction because, as we will see, the image of the modern god also satisfies the above 3 main points Wink

But, as long I am concerned, please feel ‘free’ to express ‘any’ instructive comment about the 'word' god (not god or God). As you all know, ‘ALL’ sane mature people in the world talk about this word, in a way or another.

Thank you.

... If this is not the supernatural entity that most people think of when you use the word 'God', please rather refer to it by another word, such as "myVeryOwnDefinitionOfGod". That way we won't be distracted by conflation of your specific definition and the wider definition in general use.

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13-07-2016, 03:19 AM (This post was last modified: 13-07-2016 06:56 AM by Vosur.)
RE: The modern god that exists even to Atheists
To my knowledge, virtually every god in human history possessed at least one supernatural power. If you omit that quality from your definition, you end up with a word that could be used to describe various seclusive cult leaders around the world as 'gods'.

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13-07-2016, 03:37 AM
RE: The modern god that exists even to Atheists
(13-07-2016 02:50 AM)KerimF Wrote:  [Sorry for the delay, my neighbourhood (as many other ones in my city Aleppo) was under heavy attacks after my last post (at the next early morning). Two heavy mortars missed my small apartment (on the roof) by a few meters and went down on the nearby street. The big damages were therefore in the stores (fortunately they weren’t open yet) and the low floors (hence mine wasn’t that big). Today is rather calm after the airplanes cleaned up (burned) the fronts from which the multi-national mercenaries launched thousands of mortars/missiles over the remaining citizens in the industrial city to force them flee.]

Let us be back to the subject of this thread Wink

Obviously, the most important word in its title is the word ‘god’.
So let us agree first how this word, at least in general, could be defined or understood:

[1] A god is not supposed being seen or heard by the ordinary/common people (like most members here and I Wink )

[2] A god has a set of rules that his believers should obey while believing blindly the stories supporting them.

[3] A god has representatives on earth who are given the right to apply god’s justice on the human race, not on his believers only.

I had to write this introduction because, as we will see, the image of the modern god also satisfies the above 3 main points Wink

But, as long I am concerned, please feel ‘free’ to express ‘any’ instructive comment about the 'word' god (not god or God). As you all know, ‘ALL’ sane mature people in the world talk about this word, in a way or another.

Thank you.


To which god do you refer, Janus perhaps?

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13-07-2016, 05:06 AM
RE: The modern god that exists even to Atheists
As mentioned above already, the word 'supernatural' needs to be inserted into point [1].

And that would be all you need for a non-intervening deity.

An intervening deity needs points [2] and [3] also assuming it is currently supported by one or more believer. I have no doubt that there are many long-forgotten interventionist deities who have no living supporters and whose words (texts) are long lost.

Even after all that, we're still only taking about the concept of a god (or gods / goddesses) as, I think, you recognise:

(13-07-2016 02:50 AM)KerimF Wrote:  ...
the image of the modern god also satisfies the above 3 main points Wink
...
the 'word' god ( not [an actual] god or God).
...

Thank you for the information about what is going on in Aleppo. It's great to read a first-hand experience. Sorry you are having to live through it.

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13-07-2016, 05:43 AM
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[1] An imaginary god is not supposed being seen or heard by the ordinary/common people (like most members here and I Wink )

[2] An imaginary god has a set of rules that his believers should obey while believing blindly the stories supporting them.

[3] An imaginary god has representatives on earth who are given the right to apply this imaginary god’s justice on the human race, not on his believers only.

If your definition of god matches the same definition of an imaginary god, then the god you have defined is imaginary. As in, not real.

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13-07-2016, 05:43 AM
RE: The modern god that exists even to Atheists
(13-07-2016 02:50 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Obviously, the most important word in its title is the word ‘god’.
So let us agree first how this word, at least in general, could be defined or understood:

[1] A god is not supposed being seen or heard by the ordinary/common people (like most members here and I Wink )

[2] A god has a set of rules that his believers should obey while believing blindly the stories supporting them.

Since this god cannot be seen or heard, how does it communicate its rules?
Are there 'special' people who can hear or see this god?
Why should we believe these 'special' people?
There is no evidence that they can do what they claim.

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13-07-2016, 05:57 AM (This post was last modified: 13-07-2016 11:07 AM by Rahn127.)
RE: The modern god that exists even to Atheists
Group A hears and sees god.
They write down the rules he has set forth.
They apply justice according to these rules.

Group B hears and sees god.
They write down the rules he has set forth.
These rules are different than group A
They apply justice according to these rules.

Group C hears and sees god.
They write down the rules he has set forth.
These rules are different than group A and B
They apply justice according to these rules.

The god you have defined is a god created by groups of people who want to set rules of conduct for their people. They use the imaginary god figure because it cannot be assassinated.

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13-07-2016, 06:06 AM
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At work.

Only have time to post wishing you all the best KerimF!

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13-07-2016, 06:07 AM
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(13-07-2016 05:57 AM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Group A hears and sees god.
They wright down the rules he has set forth.
They apply justice according to these rules.

Group B hears and sees god.
They wright down the rules he has set forth.
These rules are different than group A
They apply justice according to these rules.

Group C hears and sees god.
They wright down the rules he has set forth.
These rules are different than group A and B
They apply justice according to these rules.

The god you have defined is a god created by groups of people who want to set rules of conduct for their people. They use the imaginary god figure because it cannot be assassinated.

You forgot Group D that sees a chipmunk.

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