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01-09-2012, 04:11 PM
The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
What was the most disturbing/disgusting/creepy thing at the Republican convention? There are lots of good candidates:

*The blatant lying in Paul Ryan's speech.

*The complete exclusion of gays and lesbians.

*The reaction in the hall to this part of Romney's speech:

Quote:That America, that united America, will preserve a military that is so strong, no nation would ever dare to test it. [HUGE APPLAUSE!]

That America, that united America, will uphold the constellation of rights that were endowed by our Creator, and codified in our Constitution. [HUGE APPLAUSE!]

That united America will care for the poor and the sick, will honor and respect the elderly, and will give a helping hand to those in need. [NO APPLAUSE. As one commentator put it, you could hear crickets.]

*Clint Eastwood's "empty chair" stand-up routine, where he had Imaginary Obama telling Mitt Romney to go fuck himself.

Those are all worthy candidates. But for me, top honors go to this:





Screw the planet. Climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the liberal-socialist elite on honest God-fearing Americans. The oceans rising? Don't make me laugh. And even if they are, who cares? What's a little more water? It won't affect you and your family!

The stomach turns.

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01-09-2012, 06:29 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
Fine. Stay in your childhood bedroom and stare up at your fading Obama posters.
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01-09-2012, 06:32 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 06:29 PM)Jeff Wrote:  Fine. Stay in your childhood bedroom and stare up at your fading Obama posters.

Fine, stick with your failed economic theories that got us into this mess in the first place.

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01-09-2012, 06:40 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 04:11 PM)cufflink Wrote:  Screw the planet. Climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the liberal-socialist elite on honest God-fearing Americans. The oceans rising? Don't make me laugh. And even if they are, who cares? What's a little more water? It won't affect you and your family!
The stomach turns.

I'm not a huge O'Bomb.ba fan, as I think the drone strikes are pure evil.
But ya gotta pick, one of the two. It's ain't gonna be these idiots.

BTW, George Bush, (who was suspiciously absent), said, "if global warming is true, we'll deal with it". So just send him the bill, c/o Crawford, Tx.

http://www.salon.com/topic/george_w_bush/

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01-09-2012, 06:52 PM
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(01-09-2012 06:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I'm not a huge O'Bomb.ba fan, as I think the drone strikes are pure evil.

I like the drones. Terrorists created an asymmetric threat, the drones represent an asymmetric response.
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01-09-2012, 06:58 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
It bugs me that they want to criminalize online gambling. I'm not much of a gambler, but I like a nice poker game here and there.

Who the heck are they to tell me I can't do what I want with my own money in my own private home. It's my money, I worked hard to get it, and if I want to match wits with someone and bet on it, it's my business and mine only.


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01-09-2012, 07:06 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
Uh.... other than have as many wives as you want, enslave your fellow man, and worship the creator for eternity.... what rights did the creator give people? It restricted a lot of things, but didn't give anything like a right that I ever saw or was taught.
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01-09-2012, 07:09 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 04:11 PM)cufflink Wrote:  *The blatant lying in Paul Ryan's speech.

You're relying on Politi-Fact as if it is unbiased. Think for yourself. Here's what Obama said:

"And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your president."

Doesn't it sound like he's saying that if he's elected, he'll work to keep the plant open for a long time?

Now to the (not really the point) issue of when the plant "closed."

The local paper, The News and the Gazette reported that the plant didn't close fully until April 2009. Here's a timeline:

June 2008: GM announces that the Janesville plant will stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs such as the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban and the GMC Yukon in 2010 or sooner, depending on market demand.

December 23, 2008: SUV production ends, and more than 2,000 GM workers are laid off, according to the Gazette. Medium truck production continues.

January 2009, Obama takes office as President. The laid-off employees have been out of work for less than 30 days. The plant is still there, ready to go. Obama does nothing.

April 23, 2009: The plant's medium-duty assembly line, which produced an Isuzu line, closes, ending vehicle production at the plant and resulting in the loss of 57 production jobs, according to the Gazette.

GM then put the plant on standby, meaning it could reactivate the facility if it decides it needs to ramp up production.

Obama's in office, where is Obama's leadership to keep the plant here for another 100 years?
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01-09-2012, 07:16 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 06:52 PM)Jeff Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 06:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I'm not a huge O'Bomb.ba fan, as I think the drone strikes are pure evil.

I like the drones. Terrorists created an asymmetric threat, the drones represent an asymmetric response.

They kill hundreds of innocent children. There are no trials. They really don't know who they are killing. "Oh, oops. We're sorry". How would YOU feel, if one took out YOUR family, and they had nothing to do with any terrorism ? If you talk to the people in the targeted areas, they HATE the US for it, and will never forget, or forgive. We are creating more terrorists than we kill. If we had a way to know for sure that we were only killing gulity people, I would not object. We do not know.
(If I'm wrong, I would be interested in an opposing view.)

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01-09-2012, 07:19 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 04:11 PM)cufflink Wrote:  *The complete exclusion of gays and lesbians.

You relied on the NY Times for this point. You do know that the NY Times is as far left as Fox News commentators are to the right, don't you? Here's some data, think for yourself. FYI, Log Cabin Republicans is a Republican organization dedicated to representing the interests of gay and lesbian Americans and their allies. The 30-year old organization has state and local chapters nationwide, a full-time office in Washington, DC, a federal political action committee and state political action committees.

From CNN: Gay groups and "Homocon" welcomed to GOP convention despite platform

"Individual members of the Log Cabin Republicans have attended previous conventions, but this year marks a first for the group: It was invited by the Republican National Convention committee to participate in the convention itself. In addition, there are many high-profile, gay-themed events this year, including the brunch McCormac attended. "I've never been to an event of theirs, but people clearly went out of their way to be nice to me," McCormac said, with a catch in his voice. "It means so much since I'm kind of new at this."
Social issues and the GOP

In fact, Sarah Longwell, a Log Cabin board member and one of the speakers at the brunch, began her speech by talking about McCormac. She said she teared up when she met McCormac there and he told her how proud he and his wife are of their son, Tony.

Tony McCormac is getting married to Jeff Cook, who was also there working on behalf of American Unity, a political action committee that supports Republican candidates who are gay friendly. Cook is so involved in Republican politics that they've scheduled their ceremony In New York after the November election.

"That's what this is all about -- events where we can talk to Republicans about why marriage matters for our community, conservative to conservative," Longwell said.

Longwell's own engagement is so new she still stumbles a little when she describes Karen Bencala as her "fiancee." But her message about why conservatives should back same-sex marriage comes through loud and clear. She shared it Wednesday with all the Republicans gathered for the convention in the form of a full-page ad in the Tampa Tribune, paid for by the Log Cabin and Young Conservatives for the Freedom to Marry.

The ad shows several photos of same-sex couples smiling under a quote from Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, a Christian right think tank that is far from gay friendly. In his argument that successfully added anti-same sex marriage language to the party's platform, Perkins said, "The institution of marriage is the foundation of civil society. Its success as an institution will determine our success as a nation."

Longwell's ad goes on to say the LGBT Republican groups agree with Perkins, which is why the government should stop denying marriage licenses to gay couples. "The freedom to marry is directly in line with the core ideals and principles of the Republican Party -- less government, more individual freedom, personal responsibility and the importance of freedom," it argues.

"What I want to ask Tony Perkins if I see him here is, 'If you believe marriage is the very foundation of society, why would you deny us this right?' " Longwell said. "I honestly believe it's cruel to deny us this. If you believe we are real people, that is."

As she finishes speaking, Longwell recognizes a man from the Family Research Council riding an escalator into the carefully secured convention center and wonders whether she could catch up with him.

Until this year, Longwell may not have had the credentials to follow him into those secured areas, at least not as a Log Cabin Republican. One of the Log Cabin's former directors says this is the first year the RNC has credentialed the group and saved rooms for its members in official hotel space.

Bob Kabel says the evolution of the roles that openly gay people play at the convention -- and in the party itself -- has been remarkable. Kabel was the chairman of the Log Cabin Republicans from 1993 to 1999. He went on to be elected the first openly gay person in the nation to chair a state Republican Party, in the District of Columbia. Early on, he says, he felt forced to stand up at a public meeting and shame the Republican National Convention chair into an official meeting with Log Cabin.

"The current RNC leadership has been much better. They've been great," Kabel said. "We feel so much more welcome, and the voices of the Tony Perkinses in the party will be drowned out as more young people come into the party. This is not a negative issue for young people in our party. And we are more visible than ever."

Proof of his statement was visible Tuesday at a GOProud dance party called "Homocon," where many young gay and straight convention danced in the shadow of buff go-go dancers wearing the LGBT group's "freedom is fabulous" T-shirts. At the door on the way out of the event, attendees received a convention collector's item -- a keychain with the GOProud logo.

Late into the evening, GOProud co-founder Jimmy LaSalvia hushed the dancing crowd for a moment. He described how proud he was that his was the first gay GOP group to endorse this Republican presidential ticket -- even if he personally disagreed with Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan's stance against same-sex marriage. To him, the gay community is so mainstream within the party that GOProud shouldn't solely be about gay issues.

"As most of you know, I support civil marriage for gay couples," LaSalvia said, which drew a smattering of supportive shouts from the crowd. "And marriage is important. But before you get married, you need a date. And everybody knows you can't get a date without a job."
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