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02-09-2012, 11:10 AM
The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
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02-09-2012, 11:11 AM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 08:35 AM)Diablo666 Wrote:  
(02-09-2012 03:31 AM)Jeff Wrote:  Who is advocating for trickle-down?

ROFL! How can you support the republican party and not know this? You would have to be completely ignorant...ohhh....

Great - then it should be easy for you to show me an example of someone advocating for trickle-down. Please post a few links.
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02-09-2012, 11:25 AM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 05:53 AM)Dom Wrote:  Are you serious?

Yes, are you?

(02-09-2012 05:53 AM)Dom Wrote:  The Republican Party is! Taxing the crap out of the middle class and giving the money to the well to do and big companies IS pure trickle down.

First, calm the fuck down. Second, Romney's been clear that he wants to create a business climate that is certain and favorable for big and small businesses to invest and expand, so as to grow the economy, increase the tax revenues and grow jobs / lower unemployment. If the economic environment is favorable for investors, then companies will use the famous $2 trillion dollars (that someone in this forum complained the companies were just sitting on) to invest, which will be an enormous economic stimulus, paid for by the private sector, not government, and much more likely to have a stimulative effect because it is being watched over by people trying to make money with it.

(02-09-2012 05:53 AM)Dom Wrote:  The idea is that the money trickles down to the peons who will perform services for the aforementioned.

What you call "peons performing services" is what rational people call "jobs." There are 20+ million people in this country right now who would like to be a peon performing services.
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02-09-2012, 11:32 AM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 07:19 PM)Jeff Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 04:11 PM)cufflink Wrote:  *The complete exclusion of gays and lesbians.

You relied on the NY Times for this point. You do know that the NY Times is as far left as Fox News commentators are to the right, don't you?

I linked to an opinion piece in the NY Times by Frank Bruni, an out gay man and an eloquent writer whom I greatly respect. If he misstated any facts, you haven't pointed them out. And you haven't said what, if anything, Bruni asserts that you disagree with.

Quote:Here's some data, think for yourself.

Your "data" is a CNN article--which I hadn't seen and which I thank you for--about how there were "a small number of visible LGBT-supportive Republican groups at this year's convention." Hey, there was even "a dance party called 'Homocon,' where many young gay and straight convention[eers] danced in the shadow of buff go-go dancers wearing the LGBT group's 'freedom is fabulous' T-shirts." Whoopee. (As one of the reader comments below the article said, a more apt name would have been "Conhomo.")

But all of that only supports the point Bruni was making. Behind the scenes the GOP throws a crumb or two to GLBT people; in the convention hall in front of the cameras, nothing. Virtually no mention of gay people by any of the speakers, although they bent over backwards to show how much they loved women and blacks and Latinos. And the official party platform goes out of its way to trash marriage equality. It's as if the Repubs said, "Oh, all right, all right, we'll let you onto our convention bus this time--but stay in the back, and stay down!"

Bruni noted:

Frank Bruni Wrote:Several gay Republicans with whom I spoke in Tampa said that the near-complete absence of any talk onstage about gays and lesbians was in fact a hopeful sign that the party’s extremists on gay issues had lost the war to moderates. At least gays and lesbians weren’t being cast in a negative light, as a way of riling the worst of the base.

“Our messaging within the party has been: if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all,” said R. Clarke Cooper, the executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay advocacy group.

Wow. Talk about progress! Before, they trashed us. This time, they just ignored us. See? Things are getting better!

Quote:FYI, Log Cabin Republicans is a Republican organization dedicated to representing the interests of gay and lesbian Americans and their allies. The 30-year old organization has state and local chapters nationwide, a full-time office in Washington, DC, a federal political action committee and state political action committees.

If the FYI was for me, thanks, but as a gay man who's been voting in American elections for about 50 years, I'm well aware of the Log Cabin Republicans. Wink

My feelings about groups like the LCR and GOProud are changing--a little: still largely negative, but maybe not 100 percent so. I used to think of them as equivalent to Jewish Nazis; now they just make me scratch my head. When a group doesn't respect me, my own reaction is, "I'm outta here. I'll go someplace where I am respected." Why anyone would want to stick around and suck up abuse is hard for me to understand. Yet you have these gay Republicans, and you have Dignity, an organization for gay Catholics, Affirmation, a group of GLBT Mormons, etc. I guess on some level I have some grudging admiration for people who say, "Sorry, but we're not going anywhere. We're going to stay here and work for change." Not my style, but I can see some good in it.

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02-09-2012, 11:35 AM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 11:25 AM)Jeff Wrote:  
(02-09-2012 05:53 AM)Dom Wrote:  Are you serious?

Yes, are you?

(02-09-2012 05:53 AM)Dom Wrote:  The Republican Party is! Taxing the crap out of the middle class and giving the money to the well to do and big companies IS pure trickle down.

First, calm the fuck down. Second, Romney's been clear that he wants to create a business climate that is certain and favorable for big and small businesses to invest and expand, so as to grow the economy, increase the tax revenues and grow jobs / lower unemployment. If the economic environment is favorable for investors, then companies will use the famous $2 trillion dollars (that someone in this forum complained the companies were just sitting on) to invest, which will be an enormous economic stimulus, paid for by the private sector, not government, and much more likely to have a stimulative effect because it is being watched over by people trying to make money with it.

(02-09-2012 05:53 AM)Dom Wrote:  The idea is that the money trickles down to the peons who will perform services for the aforementioned.

What you call "peons performing services" is what rational people call "jobs." There are 20+ million people in this country right now who would like to be a peon performing services.

Giving tax cuts to businesses would be a good idea IF the money could NOT leave the country but had to be spent in the country. But that is not what has been happening, it all goes abroad. That is totally counterproductive and makes zero sense. It does not help Joe Blow who can't feed his family at all if monies are channelled abroad.

It would make sense to stimulate businesses that hire locally, but ONLY those businesses. Businesses with operations abroad should be automatically disqualified.

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02-09-2012, 11:48 AM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 11:35 AM)Dom Wrote:  .... But that is not what has been happening, it all goes abroad.

And we, in Asia, say thank you. Carry on. Vote Romney.

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02-09-2012, 11:52 AM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 07:37 PM)Jeff Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 04:11 PM)cufflink Wrote:  Screw the planet. Climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the liberal-socialist elite on honest God-fearing Americans. The oceans rising? Don't make me laugh. And even if they are, who cares? What's a little more water? It won't affect you and your family!

Obama's June 2008 "this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal" was self-grandiose douchebag puffery that deserved to be mocked, and was well-mocked by Romney.

Oh c'mon, Jeff. Romney wasn't commenting on Obama's alleged hubris. Just look at his body language and his smug delivery. The message is, "Can you believe this guy? Can you believe he thinks the oceans and the 'planet' are important? WE know what's important, don't we--JOBS AND TAX BREAKS!" He was pandering to his audience, an audience that refuses to accept that the environment is something to worry about and only thinks about its own narrow interests.

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02-09-2012, 01:02 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 03:27 AM)Jeff Wrote:  
(02-09-2012 03:09 AM)Vosur Wrote:  You're kidding, right? Blink Being patriotic is one thing ("America Fuck Yeah"), however being ignorant towards the actual facts is a whole different story.

Please provide me with the actual facts.
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02-09-2012, 03:22 PM (This post was last modified: 02-09-2012 04:39 PM by TrulyX.)
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 09:38 PM)Thomas Wrote:  What we are watching is a profound political change in the US to a much more conservative position. It's not the republicans making this change. They've always been there. It's the middle. They have turned their backs on social spending. They want the government smaller. They want the republicans to run the show.

"The middle"????

That's how you describe rich whites, old, senile people who still think it's 1950, and uneducated tea party supporters.

There was just a change in who was enthusiastic about voting; I guess you can call that a "shift" if you want, but it only lasts as long as the political climate allows. The people wanting to get rid of that black, socialist, non-America, anti-capitalism, anti-business, Muslim, terrorist, massive spending, anti-Christian, anti-freedom of religion, dirt bag named Obama turned out in a lot larger numbers than the people who was still butt-hurt about Obama not fixing the world problems overnight.

You also can't ignore what caused the "shift". You can't forgetting what the Republicans in Congress were doing, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Mike Huckabee, the millionaires'/Super-Pacs' contribution to false and misleading tv ads the were at least double, if not way more, than that of Democratic ones, the birther movement along with all of the other blatant lies (see a lot of my above descriptions of Obama) to promote and fuel the hatred and racism that already existed toward Obama and was strong, and.....I'll stop there.

I think you get my point though. It wasn't like large groups of highly rational citizens across the nation all carefully evaluated the economical and fiscal situations and decided, after carefully reviewing all factors, that economic stimulus wasn't the answer, debt was our biggest problem, and that a supply-side economical approach with a clear cut deficit reduction plan, entitlement reforms, tax reforms and cut backs on regulations was the direction our country needed to go, and thus voted in a large number of well-educated, well-informed, competent and qualified intellects to Congress to help get our country on the right track. That's not what happened. Super-rich people were able to strategically run adds to attack Obama and change the discussion, Republicans in Congress were strong in efforts to make Obama fail, conservative media outlets were stronger than ever, and there were tons of people pissed off and numbers of people with hatred and animosity toward Obama.

The country has its divide, and independent is only another way for people to make themselves sound smarter and more open-minded than they actually are. It really comes down to who can capture the enthusiasm of their key demographics and Obama, along with the financial crisis and weak recovery, allowed that to happen for Republicans. In 2008, Bush allowed it to happen for Democrats. It's all politics as usual.

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02-09-2012, 03:58 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 11:09 AM)Jeff Wrote:  
(02-09-2012 05:16 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Republicans, as a rule, are uneducated extremists rooted in a fundamental Christian ideology.

OK, thanks for clarifying that. I was afraid we might begin to use extreme classifications of one another.

No problem mate. Every. Single. One. Of those Republicans are fucktards. Thumbsup
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