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03-09-2012, 08:54 AM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 07:09 PM)Jeff Wrote:  
(02-09-2012 01:02 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Thanks, at least now I know with what kind of person I am dealing with. Drinking Beverage
Yes, I'm the kind of person who asks for and evaluates facts.
I actually meant that you don't do your research before spouting such nonsense.

(02-09-2012 07:09 PM)Jeff Wrote:  All military operations cause unintentional civilian casualties. When legitimate military targets are quartered in close vicinity to civilians the casualty ratio will be high, even though compared to other types of military operations the number of civilian casualties will be low.
Says who?

(02-09-2012 07:09 PM)Jeff Wrote:  How else do you suggest that we defend ourselves?
Jeff, you are either trolling or you are just mind-baffling provocative. Do you honestly think that the USA is defending itself in Afghanistan and Iraq?

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03-09-2012, 09:49 AM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 07:11 PM)Jeff Wrote:  
(02-09-2012 05:47 PM)TrulyX Wrote:  I thought Mitt Romney's real economic/fiscal plan was to set shit on fire and pray for rain. Huh

No, but thanks for the input. We'll stick with the plan.

My point was that it's all rhetoric. Everyone wants to create a good economic climate to encourage private sector growth, except for the Republicans who wanted to run against Obama on a bad economy.

I guess that was actually one the most disturbing things about the GOP convention. This whole idea that they can run against Obama and the economy, while assuming that our country has been asleep for the last four years and won't question what their plan actually is. What might be even more disturbing is that they might actually have a correct analysis; you definitely have to give them two thumbs up on absolutely incredible politics.

The thing is that there are too many open holes in Romney's plan; he isn't being specific. The holes can, seemingly, only be filled with policy that could be utterly disturbing, depending on who you are, or just are not serious propositions that would actually amount to much progress. It really doesn't add up, and that is without doing the math and without even having to know the numbers; it doesn't add up on common sense.

Republicans try to act like we don't know Obama's plan, we don't know what he would do, and he doesn't have ideas to fix things. I think it's clear that we actually do know a lot of what Obama would do, what he would compromise on, and even where we don't know specifically, we have a good idea about what he would do to fix the problems.

The thing is I actually couldn't tell you anything that Romney would do to actually fix our problems, and I have viewed his website (what he always refers to when people question him about specifics). His specific ideas about his very generalized speech rhetoric looks like generalized rhetoric.

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03-09-2012, 03:14 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(03-09-2012 09:49 AM)TrulyX Wrote:  
(02-09-2012 07:11 PM)Jeff Wrote:  No, but thanks for the input. We'll stick with the plan.

My point was that it's all rhetoric. Everyone wants to create a good economic climate to encourage private sector growth, except for the Republicans who wanted to run against Obama on a bad economy.

I guess that was actually one the most disturbing things about the GOP convention. This whole idea that they can run against Obama and the economy, while assuming that our country has been asleep for the last four years and won't question what their plan actually is. What might be even more disturbing is that they might actually have a correct analysis; you definitely have to give them two thumbs up on absolutely incredible politics.

The thing is that there are too many open holes in Romney's plan; he isn't being specific. The holes can, seemingly, only be filled with policy that could be utterly disturbing, depending on who you are, or just are not serious propositions that would actually amount to much progress. It really doesn't add up, and that is without doing the math and without even having to know the numbers; it doesn't add up on common sense.

Republicans try to act like we don't know Obama's plan, we don't know what he would do, and he doesn't have ideas to fix things. I think it's clear that we actually do know a lot of what Obama would do, what he would compromise on, and even where we don't know specifically, we have a good idea about what he would do to fix the problems.

The thing is I actually couldn't tell you anything that Romney would do to actually fix our problems, and I have viewed his website (what he always refers to when people question him about specifics). His specific ideas about his very generalized speech rhetoric looks like generalized rhetoric.

His plan is the tried and true republican plan. Manipulate the sheep, through deceptive politics and religion, to stay in office long enough to continue their agenda of deregulation and tax breaks for the aristocrats. It doesn't matter which one of them is in office, as the goal of the party is the only thing that matters. Half of the republicans are probably too stupid to actually understand the plan, and probably actually believe the bull shit they were instructed to say. Though none of that matters, as they vote as a single unit.

At any route, the objective of the party has absolutely nothing to do with the well being of the country. As soon as obama got in office the republicans, as a unit, decided to not vote for anything he did. They would rather watch the country burn than risk allowing Obama to take credit for something during his term, or even the next if he gets elected.

I can't think of anything more corrupt or unpatriotic.
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03-09-2012, 03:57 PM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2012 07:13 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
Goddam Republican platform is the motherfucking most disturbing thing at the convention. Well that, and their absurd position that the Republican platform does not represent their candidate's platform. That statement is even fucking more disturbing.

Only reason this voting-lifelong registered Republican is still a registered Republican is so I can vote for the least electable teatard in my state's closed primaries. If these fuckers take over we are seriously fucked. ... Think my family still might have property somewhere in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. Don't see any reason I couldn't telecommute from there.

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03-09-2012, 06:06 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(03-09-2012 09:49 AM)TrulyX Wrote:  I guess that was actually one the most disturbing things about the GOP convention. This whole idea that they can run against Obama and the economy, while assuming that our country has been asleep for the last four years and won't question what their plan actually is. What might be even more disturbing is that they might actually have a correct analysis; you definitely have to give them two thumbs up on absolutely incredible politics.

As important as the plan, or perhaps more important, is the leadership to get it done. This is where Romney really shines and Obama is really weak. Every time you guys say "well, Obama would have done X but the Republicans blocked him", what you're really saying is that Obama doesn't have the leadership skills to put a coalition together around a deal, and get the votes he needs. Every President has to deal with a Congress that isn't interested in his reforms or actively wants to block them. Putting together a compromise deal is what politics is all about.
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03-09-2012, 06:07 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(03-09-2012 08:54 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Jeff, you are either trolling or you are just mind-baffling provocative. Do you honestly think that the USA is defending itself in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Yes. What do you think they're doing?
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03-09-2012, 07:32 PM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2012 07:48 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(03-09-2012 06:06 PM)Jeff Wrote:  This is where Romney really shines ...

Yeah Jeff, I ain't buying that his little light is gonna shine any brighter than I buy any other fucker's little light is gonna shine.

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And I know that when I'm dead I'm gone and Romney don't. He'd have no prayer against Girly in the dohyō. He ain't sumo ready.

(03-09-2012 06:07 PM)Jeff Wrote:  
(03-09-2012 08:54 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Jeff, you are either trolling or you are just mind-baffling provocative. Do you honestly think that the USA is defending itself in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Yes. What do you think they're doing?

We agree on that at least, fucker.

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03-09-2012, 08:37 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 07:37 PM)Jeff Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 04:11 PM)cufflink Wrote:  Screw the planet. Climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the liberal-socialist elite on honest God-fearing Americans. The oceans rising? Don't make me laugh. And even if they are, who cares? What's a little more water? It won't affect you and your family!

Obama's June 2008 "this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal" was self-grandiose douchebag puffery that deserved to be mocked, and was well-mocked by Romney.


Exactly. When I heard that line, I thought it had nothing to do with global warming whatsoever. I took it as mockery of a president who last time ran on the fatuous slogan 'hope and change'. WTF did that mean anyway? Obama's peerless high regard for himself deserve mockery.
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03-09-2012, 08:47 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(01-09-2012 07:38 PM)Dom Wrote:  When is anyone ever going to realize that trickle down doesn't work?

It didn't work for reagan (and I really liked Reagan) and it works even less today. It trickles out of the country into places that offer either cheap labor or tax protection. Romney doesn't keep his own money in this country. he is walking proof.

Pisses me off that people are too dense to realize that this theory has been tested for years and years and years and got us to where we are now.

end of rant.

There aren't enough rich people to pay for the current level of spending. As Paul Ryan has pointed out, if we could somehow tax millionaires at 100% of their income without affecting how much they earn and send to the government , it would fund the government for less than four months.

We cannot pay for Obama's drastic increase in the size of government without taxing a lot more of the middle class.
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03-09-2012, 08:49 PM
RE: The most disturbing thing at the Republican convention?
(02-09-2012 05:53 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(02-09-2012 03:31 AM)Jeff Wrote:  Who is advocating for trickle-down?

Are you serious?

The Republican Party is! Taxing the crap out of the middle class and giving the money to the well to do and big companies IS pure trickle down. The idea is that the money trickles down to the peons who will perform services for the aforementioned.

If they want to support business that will actually spend their money in the US, they need to exclude large companies and let the cut benefit the small guys who hire in town. Then it will actually trickle down.

As opposed to the Democrat's policies of taxing the crap out of the middle class to redistribute their income to the 50% of the population that are now net recipients of the welfare state? No thanx.
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