The naive conservative claims on the extent of Detroit's demise.
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02-08-2013, 11:58 AM
The naive conservative claims on the extent of Detroit's demise.
Naive conservatives will claim that Detroit is as bad as it is today due to the leftist economic policies of its government. These same conservatives fail to realize that there are numerous cities throughout the US and Europe with just as leftist (or more so) economic policies, but they don't look like they've been leveled by a nuclear bomb as Detroit does.

Detroit looks like a third-world city. And can it just be a coincidence that it has a third-world population?

Fifty years ago when Detroit was majority white, it was referred to by many as the "Paris of the West". It was one of the greatest cities in the world that showcased great opportunity, civility, architecture and innovation.

Now that Detroit is majority black? It looks more like the "Mogadishu of the West".
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02-08-2013, 12:09 PM
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not sure if trolling or really racist... ಠ_ಠ

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02-08-2013, 12:27 PM
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(02-08-2013 12:09 PM)nach_in Wrote:  not sure if trolling or really racist... ಠ_ಠ

I am a racist.
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02-08-2013, 12:34 PM
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well, you're wrong. Skin colour of the population doesn't affect the political or economical development of a city.

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02-08-2013, 12:40 PM
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(02-08-2013 12:34 PM)nach_in Wrote:  well, you're wrong. Skin colour of the population doesn't affect the political or economical development of a city.

*Thinks race is only skin deep*
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02-08-2013, 12:45 PM
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(02-08-2013 12:40 PM)janthuffy Wrote:  
(02-08-2013 12:34 PM)nach_in Wrote:  well, you're wrong. Skin colour of the population doesn't affect the political or economical development of a city.

*Thinks race is only skin deep*

Race is an outmoded meme based mainly on dominate and recessive genes actual genetics have more or less proven there is no such thing as race.

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02-08-2013, 01:02 PM
RE: The naive conservative claims on the extent of Detroit's demise.
(02-08-2013 12:27 PM)janthuffy Wrote:  I am a racist.

lolwut

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02-08-2013, 01:03 PM
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(02-08-2013 12:45 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(02-08-2013 12:40 PM)janthuffy Wrote:  *Thinks race is only skin deep*

Race is an outmoded meme based mainly on dominate and recessive genes actual genetics have more or less proven there is no such thing as race.

This is completely false.

Even one of your Atheist gods admits: "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."

- Richard Dawkins

But do these racial characteristics correlate? Yes, they do.

[Rosenberg NA et al (2002) Genetic structure of human populations. Science 298:2381--2385]

"Analysis of multilocus genotypes of 1,056 individuals from 52 populations [which self-reported their race] did allow an inference of group structure and that five genetic clusters derived from that analysis of purely genetic similarities corresponded largely to major geographic regions [which also correspond to self-reported racial categories]."

[Genetic Structure, Self-Identified Race/Ethnicity, and Confounding in Case-Control Association Studies (2004)]

"Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four "self-reported" race/ethnicity categories (genetic cluster membership and self-identified race coincided in as many as 99.9% of the cases)." Of 3,636 subjects (who self identified as White, African American, East Asian, or Hispanic), only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-identified race/ethnicity."

Everyone recognizes that sex is a biological category. For purposes of comparison, the discordance rate between self-reported sex and markers on the X chromosome in the study was actually higher that the discordance rate between self-reported race and the genetic cluster membership.

Neil Risch (who also lead the first study I mentioned) and his team of geneticists found: ''The correspondence between genetic cluster and self-identified race/ethnicity is remarkably high... Accordingly, in this case, major self-identified race/ethnicity and genetic cluster are effectively synonymous'' (Tang et al. 2005, 271)


[Witherspoon DJ et al (2007) Genetic similarities within and between human populations. Genetics, 176:351--359]

A good measure of the robustness of racial genetic differentiation is: ''How often does it happen that a pair of individuals from one population is genetically more dissimilar than two individuals chosen from two different populations?'' In fact, if many thousands of loci are used as a basis for judging genetic similarity and when individuals are sampled from geographically separated populations, the correct answer, is: ''Never''

[Brues AM (1990) The once and future diagnosis of race. In: Gill GW, Rhine S (eds) Skeletal attributions of race. Maxwell Museum of Anthropology, Albuquerque]

This study covered 17 populations over the world and that relied on 34 different measurements. It managed to assign 98% of the specimens to their correct major racial group.

[Ousley S et al (2009) Understanding race and human variation: why forensic anthropologists are good at identifying race. Am J Phys Anthropology 139:68--76]

This study had a success rate of 80% in distinguishing between American Whites and Blacks, although it used just two variables. With seven variables, however, it reached the reliability of 95%, and with 19 variables the probability of correct classification rose to 97%.

[Konigsberg LW et al (2009) Estimation and evidence in forensic anthropology: sex and race. Am J Phys Anthropology 139:77--90]

Also, estimating generally the reliability of attributing a given data point to one of the five racial categories, this team of experts calculated that under some realistic conditions it is sufficient to use as few as 13 characteristics to have the posterior probability of the correct classification attain the value of 99%.
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02-08-2013, 01:16 PM
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(02-08-2013 01:03 PM)janthuffy Wrote:  This is completely false.

Even one of your Atheist gods admits: "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."

- Richard Dawkins

But do these racial characteristics correlate? Yes, they do.

[Rosenberg NA et al (2002) Genetic structure of human populations. Science 298:2381--2385]

"Analysis of multilocus genotypes of 1,056 individuals from 52 populations [which self-reported their race] did allow an inference of group structure and that five genetic clusters derived from that analysis of purely genetic similarities corresponded largely to major geographic regions [which also correspond to self-reported racial categories]."

[Genetic Structure, Self-Identified Race/Ethnicity, and Confounding in Case-Control Association Studies (2004)]

"Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four "self-reported" race/ethnicity categories (genetic cluster membership and self-identified race coincided in as many as 99.9% of the cases)." Of 3,636 subjects (who self identified as White, African American, East Asian, or Hispanic), only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-identified race/ethnicity."

Everyone recognizes that sex is a biological category. For purposes of comparison, the discordance rate between self-reported sex and markers on the X chromosome in the study was actually higher that the discordance rate between self-reported race and the genetic cluster membership.

Neil Risch (who also lead the first study I mentioned) and his team of geneticists found: ''The correspondence between genetic cluster and self-identified race/ethnicity is remarkably high... Accordingly, in this case, major self-identified race/ethnicity and genetic cluster are effectively synonymous'' (Tang et al. 2005, 271)


[Witherspoon DJ et al (2007) Genetic similarities within and between human populations. Genetics, 176:351--359]

A good measure of the robustness of racial genetic differentiation is: ''How often does it happen that a pair of individuals from one population is genetically more dissimilar than two individuals chosen from two different populations?'' In fact, if many thousands of loci are used as a basis for judging genetic similarity and when individuals are sampled from geographically separated populations, the correct answer, is: ''Never''

[Brues AM (1990) The once and future diagnosis of race. In: Gill GW, Rhine S (eds) Skeletal attributions of race. Maxwell Museum of Anthropology, Albuquerque]

This study covered 17 populations over the world and that relied on 34 different measurements. It managed to assign 98% of the specimens to their correct major racial group.

[Ousley S et al (2009) Understanding race and human variation: why forensic anthropologists are good at identifying race. Am J Phys Anthropology 139:68--76]

This study had a success rate of 80% in distinguishing between American Whites and Blacks, although it used just two variables. With seven variables, however, it reached the reliability of 95%, and with 19 variables the probability of correct classification rose to 97%.

[Konigsberg LW et al (2009) Estimation and evidence in forensic anthropology: sex and race. Am J Phys Anthropology 139:77--90]

Also, estimating generally the reliability of attributing a given data point to one of the five racial categories, this team of experts calculated that under some realistic conditions it is sufficient to use as few as 13 characteristics to have the posterior probability of the correct classification attain the value of 99%.

There are morpohological and phenotypic variations among human populations. These are generally but not entirely geographically correlated, entirely attributable to the successive bottleneck effects of founder populations reaching new regions of the Earth. So does race exist? In a "black people are black" sense, yes. The sun also rises, if I'm not mistaken.

There is no correlation with anything further.

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02-08-2013, 01:20 PM
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there are different genes for people that look alike as a group but different from another group. You don't fucking say!!

Now, let's prove how black poodles are worse at developing an economical stable society than white poodles... FOR SCIENCE!

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