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04-08-2017, 03:05 PM
RE: The news is dead.
(04-08-2017 02:49 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  So, are we talking about the news being dead or our critical thinking skills?

I don't think the news is dead -- yet. But it has become a whole lot harder to separate the wheat from the chaff, and that's partly because of the huge multiplication of "sources". I put that in quotes because we now have the added fun of trying to determine whether something is an actual news source; relaying information from a real source; blindly parroting unverified blog/twitter/facebook ramblings; or making something up out of whole cloth.

That would be where critical thinking comes in. Except critical thinking has never been taught, per se, in most US educational settings. If you get it at all, you either get it at home, or by osmosis from a teacher of some other subject, who just happens to be a critical thinker him/her self.

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04-08-2017, 03:29 PM
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A typical local "news" broadcast here is

30 minutes minus
-8 minutes of commercials
-6 minutes of weather (usually in 2 or 3 segments and I'm in Phoenix...the weather is mainly HOT) unless it rains then we have to have the whole team out there telling us where it is fucking raining and that kills a lot of the broadcast
-6 minutes of sports....down to high school level when there is no football or basketball going on
-2 minutes of the latest police shooting(s)/traffic accidents
-1 minute of traffic reports
-2 minutes of a national/world story if there is something important enough in the world to attract the attention of the rednecks out here or a state story if the legislature is in session and did something that day
-5 minutes of "human interest" horseshit like some kid running a lemonade stand because his friend's pet hamster died

The "National News" is not a whole hell of a lot better.

I make it a point to read the BBC online and, to annoy Trump, I have an online subscription to the NY Times.

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04-08-2017, 03:43 PM
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News is similar to science. There's a bit of a review process needed to sort out the crap from the good stuff. And there's a lot of crap sources which masquerade as legitimate.

I trust the established news sources pretty well. Things like BBC, New York Times, Al Jazeera. The ones with a wide reader/viewer ship and an established tradition of factual reporting. I've tried watching a few clips from Fox online but they're obviously biased. Huffington Post is also very left-leaning and sometimes their quality IMO isn't great. I've got to be careful reading them 'cos I'm a bit left-leaning myself so I'm quite likely to agree with them anyway - I try to remember to cross-check if their story seems a little too "bad corporate boy meets innocent socialist girl". Also I've found at least one story on their site which I'm pretty sure was written by someone from the organisation which the article was about - identical wording to the organisation's website. It grates me when people do that, and don't make it clear.

It's annoying to have to do this kind of fact-checking, but it can't be avoided these days. Which is another reason why snopes is a fantastic website and I really hope they won't be shut down.

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05-08-2017, 03:54 AM
RE: The news is dead.
(04-08-2017 03:05 PM)Dr H Wrote:  I don't think the news is dead -- yet. But it has become a whole lot harder to separate the wheat from the chaff, and that's partly because of the huge multiplication of "sources". I put that in quotes because we now have the added fun of trying to determine whether something is an actual news source; relaying information from a real source; blindly parroting unverified blog/twitter/facebook ramblings; or making something up out of whole cloth.

That would be where critical thinking comes in. Except critical thinking has never been taught, per se, in most US educational settings. If you get it at all, you either get it at home, or by osmosis from a teacher of some other subject, who just happens to be a critical thinker him/her self.

I don't see how that's bad though. Even at the cost of having to determine what is valid and what is not, the bigger number of sources makes for a more objective truth.

I can't help but think that the only news source my grandma had when she was young was the local newspaper, or maybe even the local radio station (if she was allowed to read or listen to any of the two). And we're talking about a time when the emergence of rock music was considered Satan's work by journalists and old wives' tales were considered science.

Or when we all thought that those people who burned buildings in riots were the "evil anarchists" until we saw videos of them talking with and being supplied with weapons by the police. Videos that never appeared in mainstream media; not until a few years ago.

I honestly can't, for the life of me, see how more sources make for less reliability, no matter the amount of bias, lies and bullshit out there. Critical thinking is necessary whether the number of sources is big or small.

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05-08-2017, 05:07 AM
RE: The news is dead.
(05-08-2017 03:54 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  Or when we all thought that those people who burned buildings in riots were the "evil anarchists" until we saw videos of them talking with and being supplied with weapons by the police. Videos that never appeared in mainstream media; not until a few years ago.
We didn't all think that, because I don't know what you're referring to. Tongue

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05-08-2017, 05:18 AM
RE: The news is dead.
(05-08-2017 05:07 AM)cactus Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 03:54 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  Or when we all thought that those people who burned buildings in riots were the "evil anarchists" until we saw videos of them talking with and being supplied with weapons by the police. Videos that never appeared in mainstream media; not until a few years ago.
We didn't all think that, because I don't know what you're referring to. Tongue

I was actually referring to my country, I thought mentioning that I'm not talking about American news networks and mentioning my grandma and the local newspapers made that clear, sorry.

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05-08-2017, 06:15 AM
RE: The news is dead.
(05-08-2017 05:18 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 05:07 AM)cactus Wrote:  We didn't all think that, because I don't know what you're referring to. Tongue

I was actually referring to my country, I thought mentioning that I'm not talking about American news networks and mentioning my grandma and the local newspapers made that clear, sorry.

Link to videos, please

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05-08-2017, 08:33 AM (This post was last modified: 05-08-2017 08:36 AM by Dom.)
RE: The news is dead.
When I was growing up, it was the daily paper you found at your door step every morning. We got a local paper and a national/international one. Everyone read them while having breakfast. Mom had the radio on while doing housework and that had hourly news. A few years later came the evening news on TV to round it out.

The news were mostly dry facts, read in a monotone. Discussions of news were separate programs.

Yes, info in general was a TON harder to come by on all topics, but facts about world events were more accessible.

I am yet to find that news organ that states facts in a monotone voice so the facts are not tinted with emotion. Hundreds of news outlets to choose from, and I haven't found one yet.

Mostly we have entertainment and opinion pieces, in all flavors. But not news.

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05-08-2017, 10:50 AM
RE: The news is dead.
(05-08-2017 06:15 AM)cactus Wrote:  
(05-08-2017 05:18 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  I was actually referring to my country, I thought mentioning that I'm not talking about American news networks and mentioning my grandma and the local newspapers made that clear, sorry.

Link to videos, please

I can't find the stuff I saw years ago, but there's some stuff here:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/319749

and this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZE5uDQXNow

...which shows alleged rioters moving towards the Parliament and entering an area they shouldn't have access to with some cops.

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05-08-2017, 10:58 AM
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I seldom watch TV news unless there is something really big going on and I am looking for some info (after checking online).

On my drive to work I listen to a local AM news radio station. I basically hear news headlines and little snippets of interviews that add little to the conversation. I do listen more carefully to traffic in case I need to alter my drive and I listen to the weather forecast even though I know their guess is usually about as good as mine.

My drive in to work is about 35 minutes...I get the traffic/weather three times during my commute and hear the same four daily stories over and over again with a 'feel good' story thrown in for good measure. Friday they mix it up a little and list things that are going on in the DFW area.

I can recite the commercials when they come on I hear them so often. Undecided

I miss reading the newspaper but it got to where it was largely ads I have no interest in and little actual news content.

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