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09-01-2015, 02:21 PM
RE: The omniscient one
The concept of an All powerful and All seeing God is by definition a endless paradox. My reply to most presupositionnalist on the question of «How do you know you are not a brain in a vat?» is usually: «if we are the creation of an All powerful and All seeing God then he is a brain in a vat and we are nothing more then a fragment of a thought of mind traped in a vaccum, in complete delirium, with no chance of recovery.» I know it's a cheap way to dodge their question, but sometime they fall in the trap of trying to debate my own smokesreen.
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09-01-2015, 09:07 PM
RE: The omniscient one
(07-01-2015 05:44 AM)jarrettleerose Wrote:  Very simple question: Why would an omniscient God create people he knew would reject him? Why not just skip their existence and save yourself the headache? If we are created to worship God why give us freewill to reject him?

What makes you think there is a god and that we are created?

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10-01-2015, 02:32 AM
RE: The omniscient one
(09-01-2015 09:07 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(07-01-2015 05:44 AM)jarrettleerose Wrote:  Very simple question: Why would an omniscient God create people he knew would reject him? Why not just skip their existence and save yourself the headache? If we are created to worship God why give us freewill to reject him?

What makes you think there is a god and that we are created?

because there's an old story book that doesn't have a content rating Smartass
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10-01-2015, 02:38 AM
RE: The omniscient one
(10-01-2015 02:32 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 09:07 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  What makes you think there is a god and that we are created?

because there's an old story book that doesn't have a content rating Smartass

Of course it doesn't have a content rating.

If anybody went and took the time to do a thorough, objective look at the bible (indeed all such books) and classified them, they'd probably be filed away under the 'No Sell' section of the ratings. At the least it'd be rated R18+

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10-01-2015, 10:43 AM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2015 11:59 AM by Ace.)
RE: The omniscient one
(10-01-2015 02:38 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 02:32 AM)Ace Wrote:  because there's an old story book that doesn't have a content rating Smartass

Of course it doesn't have a content rating.

If anybody went and took the time to do a thorough, objective look at the bible (indeed all such books) and classified them, they'd probably be filed away under the 'No Sell' section of the ratings. At the least it'd be rated R18+

R18+ ???

sounds a bit too lenient
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10-01-2015, 02:01 PM
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(10-01-2015 10:43 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 02:38 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Of course it doesn't have a content rating.

If anybody went and took the time to do a thorough, objective look at the bible (indeed all such books) and classified them, they'd probably be filed away under the 'No Sell' section of the ratings. At the least it'd be rated R18+

R18+ ???

sounds a bit too lenient

As I said 'At least'. But aside from total censorship (which I raised as 'no sell') it's as high as it could applicably go, at least where I live.

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10-01-2015, 02:06 PM
RE: The omniscient one
(10-01-2015 10:43 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 02:38 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Of course it doesn't have a content rating.

If anybody went and took the time to do a thorough, objective look at the bible (indeed all such books) and classified them, they'd probably be filed away under the 'No Sell' section of the ratings. At the least it'd be rated R18+

R18+ ???

sounds a bit too lenient

easiest thing would be just to classify it as the fiction it is, and be done with it. Smile

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11-01-2015, 04:45 AM
RE: The omniscient one
(10-01-2015 02:06 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:43 AM)Ace Wrote:  R18+ ???

sounds a bit too lenient

easiest thing would be just to classify it as the fiction it is, and be done with it. Smile

done, whats next

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