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30-07-2014, 04:59 PM (This post was last modified: 30-07-2014 06:17 PM by Wicked Clown.)
RE: Ashamed of my pornography problem
Quote:how is this relevant to ethics?

because it's about whether pornography is good or bad, right or wrong , healthy for society at large, does it lead to an increased amount of unwanted pregnancies , sexual addictions, the spread of the STD epidemic, or rape and violence?
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30-07-2014, 05:19 PM
RE: Ashamed of my pornography problem
Hitchens said it best (as is often the case)

"I am obsessed with sex. Ever since I discovered that my God-given male member was going to give me no peace, I decided to give it no rest in return. Seems fair to me."


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30-07-2014, 05:29 PM (This post was last modified: 30-07-2014 05:41 PM by Wicked Clown.)
RE: Ashamed of my pornography problem
(30-07-2014 05:19 PM)CiderThinker Wrote:  Hitchens said it best (as is often the case)

"I am obsessed with sex. Ever since I discovered that my God-given male member was going to give me no peace, I decided to give it no rest in return. Seems fair to me."

Laugh out load clever but true and quite funny and sad at the same time

Quote:This seems to be about your personal issues

No because this is a common addiction for men. Almost every drug addict is also a sex or pornography addict because it releases large amounts of dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin, adrenaline, and endorphins. The same neurotransmitters that addictive drugs work on. And for that matter, prayer and meditation.

Not only is pornography addiction more common than drug addiction (not including alcohol and caffeine dependence) but more money is spent on pornography in our culture than the money spent on all the professional sports combined.

The Pornography industry allegedly makes between 25-30 billion dollars a year
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money...ornography

It is an extremely common addiction and I'd not be surprised if it was THE most common addiction (after caffeine that is).
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30-07-2014, 05:40 PM
RE: Ashamed of my pornography problem
Pornography is not a recognized addiction by scientific authorities. As a sexually reproductive species humans are driven by the prime objective; pass on your genes. Loving sexual stimulation is nothing to be ashamed of. I suggest you watch Penn & Teller's episode on porn, maybe that can clear up some of your misconceptions.
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30-07-2014, 05:43 PM
RE: Ashamed of my pornography problem
(30-07-2014 02:05 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  So, one thing that was nice about my Catholic convictions is I managed to go more than five years without looking at porn.

I know that it is a small percentage of people who are lead into sexually abusive behavior as a result of a porn addiction, but I think in many cases it damages a person in some way, and gets them addicted to sex. This can lead to sexual perversions , that can lead to using other people to gratify one's lust. Like any addiction it can cloud one's judgement and blind the conscience a bit.

Porn can be addictive as drugs and Can lead to marital problems. It can objectify both women (and men), leading to an increased need to gratify a sexual urge without any emotional or intellectual connection to the object used to satisfy the urge, be it a man, woman, or child.

The more porn consumed, the more money the filth industry makes, and if you are paying for porn, essentially, you are paying for sex. Porn can treat men (ussually wounded or immature men) to unrealistic, ill-mannered, and ungracious views and expectations about love, relationship, intimacy, and sex.

The unrealistic expectation will cause problems when the women the pornography addict gets with, do not add up to the beauty of the nearly unblemished bodies of porn stars, along with their experience in bed. Thus, this will make it difficult for their partner to satisfy them.

With any addiction, a desensitization from over stimulation of pleasure receptors leads to other extremes to achieve the same level of pleasure. This is what can cause some sex addicts to hire prostitutes , even if such behavior formerly went against their moral code.

In rare extreme cases, this greater need for more has lead the porn addict to act on their deviant fantasies which can be sex with children, and sometimes acting out violent fantasies which can lead to murder.

Keeping sexual images constantly on the mind changes brain chemistry so the mind thinks more and more about sex and loses interest in other things. This appetite for sex can cause the person deep frustration which blinds their ability to reason and leads to reckless behavior and sociophathic behavior, as any addiction can and has done.

Often men, (self included) turn to porn as an easy way to provide temporary relief from depression, anxiety, or loneliness, and the easy way out of having to go out and meet women, take some risks, and make the sacrifices that a relationship requires. This can in the end however lead to more depression due to the longing for what no magazine or internet site can offer, often just hurting one's self-esteem more and feeling more empty.

Ted Bundy (rapist and charismatic serial killer of up to as many as 40 women) in his interview with Dobson, said that without exception, every sociopath, rapist, childmolester, or sex murderer like himself, had an addiction to pornography.

Fastforward this till about 13 min into it and you will see Ted bundy last interview less than 24 hours before his execution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcuU17TOgAQ

(I put this in the philosophy section because it has to do with ethics)

EDIT: Do you think that after leaving Theism that you should still see pornography as wrong and abstain from it? If you never had a pornography issue, your answer to that question can be theoretical, rather than something you experienced personally.

Actually all these crap assertions without a shred of evidence presented should be in the children's humor section.

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30-07-2014, 05:49 PM
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(30-07-2014 05:40 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  Pornography is not a recognized addiction by scientific authorities. As a sexually reproductive species humans are driven by the prime objective; pass on your genes. Loving sexual stimulation is nothing to be ashamed of. I suggest you watch Penn & Teller's episode on porn, maybe that can clear up some of your misconceptions.

"A vital role for dopamine is in pleasure experience, reward, and learning. Drugs such as cocaine target the dopaminergic system to release great amounts of dopamine which results in experiencing a “high,” often leading to addiction. A number of studies have implicated dopamine in either the anticipation or the direct experience of pleasure. Depending on the brain area, dopamine can be released either prior to or during the moments of heightened pleasure. When released, dopamine strengthens and reinforces the new connections that are being made in the brain while an activity is undertaken. This in turn acts to encourage the individual to repeat the activity again so they can feel that pleasure once more.

How is this relevant to pornography? As the images are displayed on the screen, an arousal takes place and the dopaminergic system is triggered just like it would be by drugs such as cocaine. The newly formed connections in the brain from watching pornographic images become greatly reinforced by the massive amounts of dopamine being released.

Rather than going into short term memory, where these images can be forgotten after the screen is turned off, the dopamine reinforcement ensures they’re moved into the long-term memory stores where they can be stuck in replay mode in the person’s mind.

....Since the experience is an arousing one, dopamine release results in very strong reinforcement of those new connections. Now that the scenes are in long-term memory, two consequences take place: 1) since the very same system stimulated by cocaine is being triggered by pornography, addiction is developed; and 2) the man will often attempt to create his own re-enactments with a wife or partner

After such a disappointment in the actual experience due to the unrealistic fantasy-based expectations, the brain not only refrains from releasing dopamine; it actually dips below baseline levels. It goes into a depression response that results in disappointment, dissatisfaction, and unhappiness in the marriage since the wife is “not up to what he expected”. Despite the efforts by many women to “spice things up” and even subject themselves to the demeaning acts that have been artificially downloaded into their husbands’ brains, the pornography-addicted husbands will only enjoy themselves for a very short while before losing interest. Meanwhile, the wife feels unattractive and emotionally abandoned despite her best efforts, not knowing that she couldn’t compete with the dopamine buzz offered by pornography."

http://www.suhaibwebb.com/ummah/men/how-...the-brain/
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30-07-2014, 05:53 PM
RE: Ashamed of my pornography problem
(30-07-2014 05:49 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  
(30-07-2014 05:40 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  Pornography is not a recognized addiction by scientific authorities. As a sexually reproductive species humans are driven by the prime objective; pass on your genes. Loving sexual stimulation is nothing to be ashamed of. I suggest you watch Penn & Teller's episode on porn, maybe that can clear up some of your misconceptions.

"A vital role for dopamine is in pleasure experience, reward, and learning. Drugs such as cocaine target the dopaminergic system to release great amounts of dopamine which results in experiencing a “high,” often leading to addiction. A number of studies have implicated dopamine in either the anticipation or the direct experience of pleasure. Depending on the brain area, dopamine can be released either prior to or during the moments of heightened pleasure. When released, dopamine strengthens and reinforces the new connections that are being made in the brain while an activity is undertaken. This in turn acts to encourage the individual to repeat the activity again so they can feel that pleasure once more.

How is this relevant to pornography? As the images are displayed on the screen, an arousal takes place and the dopaminergic system is triggered just like it would be by drugs such as cocaine. The newly formed connections in the brain from watching pornographic images become greatly reinforced by the massive amounts of dopamine being released.

Rather than going into short term memory, where these images can be forgotten after the screen is turned off, the dopamine reinforcement ensures they’re moved into the long-term memory stores where they can be stuck in replay mode in the person’s mind.

....Since the experience is an arousing one, dopamine release results in very strong reinforcement of those new connections. Now that the scenes are in long-term memory, two consequences take place: 1) since the very same system stimulated by cocaine is being triggered by pornography, addiction is developed; and 2) the man will often attempt to create his own re-enactments with a wife or partner

After such a disappointment in the actual experience due to the unrealistic fantasy-based expectations, the brain not only refrains from releasing dopamine; it actually dips below baseline levels. It goes into a depression response that results in disappointment, dissatisfaction, and unhappiness in the marriage since the wife is “not up to what he expected”. Despite the efforts by many women to “spice things up” and even subject themselves to the demeaning acts that have been artificially downloaded into their husbands’ brains, the pornography-addicted husbands will only enjoy themselves for a very short while before losing interest. Meanwhile, the wife feels unattractive and emotionally abandoned despite her best efforts, not knowing that she couldn’t compete with the dopamine buzz offered by pornography."

http://www.suhaibwebb.com/ummah/men/how-...the-brain/

This sounds great and all, but unless you can give me a proper scientific study that says just that I don't really care.
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30-07-2014, 06:03 PM (This post was last modified: 30-07-2014 06:25 PM by Wicked Clown.)
RE: Ashamed of my pornography problem
(30-07-2014 05:53 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(30-07-2014 05:49 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  

This sounds great and all, but unless you can give me a proper scientific study that says just that I don't really care.

"Relationships aren't the only area where compulsive porn use can be damaging. Psychologists describe anecdotal reports of people losing their jobs because they couldn't control the urge to visit adult websites at work, for instance. "When porn use becomes so intense in frequency or duration, it starts to interfere with the other aspects of a person's life," Bridges says.

However, experts disagree over how to classify excessive porn use. "We're still not completely sure what this behavior is," says Bridges."

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/04/pornography.aspx

Okay, I don't know for sure if porn does a lot of the problems that people accuse it of like increasing violence or sexual offenses. That is probably theoretical or based on testimonies from sexual offenders.

The scientific fact is that pornography does work on Dopamine which is what cocaine, meth, and various other drugs release. It also releases endorphins which is what heroine works on.
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30-07-2014, 08:44 PM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
What your describing isn't an addiction it's lack of self control.

Quote:Substance dependence, commonly called drug addiction, is a compulsive need to use drugs in order to function normally. When such substances are unobtainable, the user suffers from withdrawal.

Someone wouldn't go through a withdrawal if they couldn't watch porn. I also have never heard of someone overdosing on porn. Becoming sexually aroused is a normal experience all humans and even other life go through, especially during puberty. I can bet you most people here will say around their teen years they were way into porn but they eventually grow out of it. Yes it can get out of hand but not because of an addiction, but because they forget about self control. You can easily learn to stop looking at porn but it's much harder to stop smoking or doing drugs. Comparing the two is just silly. Also like cigarette's have nicotine to make you addicted, there is no chemical in porn to addict you.

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30-07-2014, 09:36 PM (This post was last modified: 30-07-2014 09:47 PM by Wicked Clown.)
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
"Dr. Victor Cline, Professor of Psychology, noted researcher and counselor in the area of the effects of pornography states: "In the scientific world the question of pornography effects is no longer a hot issue. It's really not debated any more. The scientists and professionals are no longer 'pretending not to know.' The new pornography commission is almost redundant. (1986) Everybody knows that pornography can cause harm, it can also change people's sexual appetites, values and behavior. . . . It's a power form of education. It can also condition people into deviancy. It can also addict. There are too many articles in the scientific journals as well as current books reviewing research attesting to this for anybody to deny its effects anymore." (Pornogrpahy: A Report - An In-depth Look At The Effects or Pornography, American Family Association, P.O. Drawer 2440, Tupelo, MS 38803 p. 11)

This report is full of documented evidence. I will include here a few comments from that documented report.

"Portrayals of sex, rather than violence, leads viewers to lose respect for women and trivialize the crime of rape, a study on pornography concludes. James Weaver, a University of Kentucky communications professor who conducted the study, said his conclusions are supported by a review of research by other U.S. scholars�." according to a report by Deborah Wilson, (Ibid. 2). "Prof. Weaver was assisted in his research by Indiana University professor Dolf Zillman, an authority on the impact of pornography. Previous studies by Prof. Zillmann and Prof. Jennings Bryant of the University of Houston found that both men and women considered rape a less violent act after they were exposed to non-violent pornography, and men became more callous toward women."


"A 1984 study by Dolf Zillmann of the University of Indiana and Jennings Bryant of the University of Houston found evidence that shows an exposure to non-violent pornography leads to an increased interest in violent porn." It also creates a taste for porn that portrays less commonly practiced sexual activities, including those involving the infliction of pain." In Zillman and Bryant's research featured in the Journal of Applied Social Psychology (Vol. 18, 1988) it revealed that repeated exposure to pornography results in a decreased satisfaction with one's sexual partner, with the partner's sexuality, with the partner's sexual curiosity, a decrease in the valuation of faithfulness, and a major increase in the importance of sex without attachment." (Ibid.)...

....This report states that Chicago police have found an even stronger link between sexual abuse and child pornography. James B. Check, a professor at the University of York in Ontario, Canada, found in 1985 that youth between the ages of 12 and 17 had the highest interest in pornographic material and were its prime viewers. Sellers of pornography target them because, as Mark Kastleman states in his book, The Drug of the New Millennium, youth have 20 times the testosterone of an adult and so they are much more quickly affected as they see sexual images."

This report also illustrates how rape decreases when porn is removed.
http://www.strengthenthefamily.net/is_there_proof.php

Now for the sake of a balanced view on this, there are other studies that suggest the opposite opinion about there not being sufficient evidence that pornography leads to these deviant, destructive, or unhealthy behaviors.

Quote:Someone wouldn't go through a withdrawal if they couldn't watch porn. I also have never heard of someone overdosing on porn. Becoming sexually aroused is a normal experience all humans and even other life go through, especially during puberty. I can bet you most people here will say around their teen years they were way into porn but they eventually grow out of it. Yes it can get out of hand but not because of an addiction, but because they forget about self control. You can easily learn to stop looking at porn but it's much harder to stop smoking or doing drugs. Comparing the two is just silly. Also like cigarette's have nicotine to make you addicted, there is no chemical in porn to addict you.

The addiction to porn is not like the addiction to drugs. You aren't going to get ill from the withdrawal. But guaranteed if you've been looking at porn daily for ten years and then you try to go six months without looking at it, it will be a huge battle and you will be very frusterated. Some people are not even able to wait till they are off work to view porn and have lost their jobs as a result.

Jogging can also be an addiction as well as other things that cause adrenaline rush and dopamine or endorphin rushes, including gambling.

Has anyone gotten sick from a gambling withdrawal? No! But that doesn't change that it is addictive. Junk food is also addictive but you aren't going to have a seizure from with drawling from sweets.

Is there an addictive chemical in porn? No, but it releases the neurotransmitters that get people hooked on Meth, Cocaine, and Heroine.

There are different forms of addiction. Some are simply psychological addictions that don't include the physical dependence that leads to withdrawal.
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