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13-08-2014, 05:53 PM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
(13-08-2014 02:44 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  
(13-08-2014 02:43 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  have you ever had consensual sex that you didn't enjoy or found somewhat scary?

That I didn't enjoy? Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Most guys think there is no bad sex. For guys maybe it's true but for women there is bad sex. So here's something some of you might not know. For a couple of months after having a baby, sex hurts like hell and if the woman nurses a baby exclusively the first year, sex is pretty painful because so much of the moisture of a womans body is being diverted to making milk. And Kay-Y jelly doesn't do shit.

Women get bladder infections more frequently than men. Guess what, sex hurts when a woman has a bladder infection. For women hormones drop as she gets older to the point where it affects the lining of the vagina and makes it paper thin. Guess what. Sex hurts and isn't enjoyable. There are estrogen creams that help restore the thickness of the vaginal walls.

I love sex but men need to be aware of some of the realisms of the female body. It's not our fault, it's just the way our bodies work. I think some of it could be added to the list of "bad designs" that us atheists attribute to that mythical creator.

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13-08-2014, 06:03 PM
The possible negative effects of Pornography
(13-08-2014 05:30 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(31-07-2014 05:18 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  I've found that only the majority of porn is necessarily unrealistic. Sure, this draws in the largest audience. But, it can be useful to know that there are other purveyors of porn who create a much more realistic vision of sex. Real couples, smiling, laughing, enjoying sex instead of acting...well...weird.

Ok, lets get down to the brass tacks. This is my problem with porn. Being female, I find that the women portrayed might as well be blowup dolls or some kind of Stepford women. Most of them are between 21 and 34 and if there's some women who's having sex and she's like 40+ then it's given a special category of "older women" as if older women are strange aliens because they're having sex. It's ridiculous. The other thing that bothers me about porn is that the female orgazm seems either fake or isn't very realistic. I've only seen a couple porn movies where it was very obvious that the woman had a real orgasm. So it's all about the guy and his big crescendo which everyone has to see, of course, otherwise he didn't really do it.

My husband watches pron. I don't care if he does. Actually, I'd wonder if something was wrong with him if he didn't watch porn once in a while.

I don't deny all that. That's the sort of porn it's take me a long time to find alternatives for because, as I said, it's the majority. But it's valuable to know it's not all porn.

I'd post links but I'm pretty sure that's against forum policy. Not sure how to inform further without risking banishment.

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13-08-2014, 06:43 PM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
(13-08-2014 05:53 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(13-08-2014 02:44 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  That I didn't enjoy? Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Most guys think there is no bad sex. For guys maybe it's true but for women there is bad sex. So here's something some of you might not know. For a couple of months after having a baby, sex hurts like hell and if the woman nurses a baby exclusively the first year, sex is pretty painful because so much of the moisture of a womans body is being diverted to making milk. And Kay-Y jelly doesn't do shit.

Women get bladder infections more frequently than men. Guess what, sex hurts when a woman has a bladder infection. For women hormones drop as she gets older to the point where it affects the lining of the vagina and makes it paper thin. Guess what. Sex hurts and isn't enjoyable. There are estrogen creams that help restore the thickness of the vaginal walls.

I love sex but men need to be aware of some of the realisms of the female body. It's not our fault, it's just the way our bodies work. I think some of it could be added to the list of "bad designs" that us atheists attribute to that mythical creator.

Very Educational post! Thank You!
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13-08-2014, 08:08 PM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
(30-07-2014 05:19 PM)CiderThinker Wrote:  Hitchens said it best (as is often the case)

"I am obsessed with sex. Ever since I discovered that my God-given male member was going to give me no peace, I decided to give it no rest in return. Seems fair to me."

Hahaha that is the best quote ever.

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14-08-2014, 12:04 AM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
(13-08-2014 05:30 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Ok, lets get down to the brass tacks. This is my problem with porn. Being female, I find that the women portrayed might as well be blowup dolls or some kind of Stepford women. Most of them are between 21 and 34 and if there's some women who's having sex and she's like 40+ then it's given a special category of "older women" as if older women are strange aliens because they're having sex. It's ridiculous.

As someone who is over 40 I understand the personal sensitivity around the "older" porn category, lol.

However, I find if I analyse it, there is nothing inherently prejudiced about labelling porn factually. On the timeline of a typical human lifespan, I am at the "older" end of it now, so it's reasonable and facts-based to call >40yo porn "older" porn. When I find that categorisation distasteful, what I think I am seeing is my own fear of ageing and death, this fear is leaving me somewhat prejudiced towards myself because of my age (e.g. I am insecure about my age, and don't therefore like to consider myself as an "older" person).

What I'd say here is let's have a bit of age pride! Own the label "older", and be proud with it.

I've actually done some amateur porn, I uploaded it to an amateur porn website and in terms of ranking and popularity it was more or less at the top of it's category for some months. Because of my age, that surprised me, but actually a lot of people are into older people. If they give a suitably hot performance ;-)

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16-08-2014, 12:10 AM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
(13-08-2014 02:43 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  have you ever had consensual sex that you didn't enjoy or found somewhat scary?

Absolutely and on both counts.

It's a pet peeve and I'm gonna rant so I apologize in advance. Girls with DFS (Dead Fish Syndrome) absolutely piss me off. When the view you have to sex as a woman is " Well...I showed up, my work here is done." I just get so damn annoyed. You have turned yourself from a sexual PARTNER into a godsdamned masterbatorial aid, and I could have done that my fucking self. Literally!

Now that said I've also been the cause of bad sex. EVERYONE has off days we all get that I don't mean that. What I mean is I once got a little carried away and lost in my head space and ended up dick punching a girl right in her cervix. I have NEVER felt more guilty and just out and out terrible as I did in that exact moment. I was abso-fucking-lutely MORITFIED.

When it comes to "bad sex" that's the key difference. Bad sex for a man is at worst... kinda disappointing. Bad sex for a woman can be so bad it's excruciatingly painful to the point it's debilitating. I got a lot of respect for any woman who has to go through that time after time and have it be an ever present threat with each new guy.

Now as for scary there was this really hot Alt girl (you know the type: purple hair, B cup, pierced just about everywhere) that was really into blood play and decided to introduce me to this fact head first by dragging a razor across my chest while she was on top of me and I had my eyes closed and was half way to Happytown.
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16-08-2014, 09:52 AM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
(14-08-2014 12:04 AM)phil.a Wrote:  
(13-08-2014 05:30 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Ok, lets get down to the brass tacks. This is my problem with porn. Being female, I find that the women portrayed might as well be blowup dolls or some kind of Stepford women. Most of them are between 21 and 34 and if there's some women who's having sex and she's like 40+ then it's given a special category of "older women" as if older women are strange aliens because they're having sex. It's ridiculous.

As someone who is over 40 I understand the personal sensitivity around the "older" porn category, lol.

However, I find if I analyse it, there is nothing inherently prejudiced about labelling porn factually. On the timeline of a typical human lifespan, I am at the "older" end of it now, so it's reasonable and facts-based to call >40yo porn "older" porn. When I find that categorisation distasteful, what I think I am seeing is my own fear of ageing and death, this fear is leaving me somewhat prejudiced towards myself because of my age (e.g. I am insecure about my age, and don't therefore like to consider myself as an "older" person).

What I'd say here is let's have a bit of age pride! Own the label "older", and be proud with it.

I've actually done some amateur porn, I uploaded it to an amateur porn website and in terms of ranking and popularity it was more or less at the top of it's category for some months. Because of my age, that surprised me, but actually a lot of people are into older people. If they give a suitably hot performance ;-)

Phil

Interesting that you've done "amateur porn". So is this a non paid activity?

I'm not afraid of aging or death. I'm in excellent health and very good shape but the porn industry seems to think that the only people who have sex are in their 20's and narrow that down even further to only people who have bodies like an Adonis or Aphrodite. Walk down any street in America and you'll see people of all shapes and sizes and ages. These people are probably having sex but one hardly ever sees that represented in porn videos or if it is it's classified as kinda of an odd niche market. I reality the Adonis and Aphrodite is the minority.

I'm not super angry over it. It's just a bit frustrating. One thing I've noticed is that there is less attempts at "acting" and more plain sex happening. There are a few women who produce porn videos and those tend to be softer with a little romance thrown in. I like that.

Oh, I almost forgot. I actually knew Georgina Spelvin who made The Devil In Miss Jones back in the 70's. I did costumes for her in a play she was in down in LA. She was an excellent stage actress and a wonderful person.

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16-08-2014, 10:11 AM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
(30-07-2014 02:05 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  So, one thing that may have been nice about my Catholic convictions was going more than five years without looking at porn.

I know that it is a small percentage of people who are lead into sexually abusive behavior as a result of a porn addiction, but think in many cases it damages a person in some way, and gets them addicted to sex. This can lead to sexual perversions , that can lead to using other people to gratify one's lust. Like any addiction it can cloud one's judgement and blind the conscience a bit.

Porn can potentially be addictive as drugs and Can lead to marital problems. It can objectify both women (and men), leading to an increased need to gratify a sexual urge without any emotional or intellectual connection to the object used to satisfy the urge, be it a man, woman, or child.

The more porn consumed, the more money the filth industry makes, and if you are paying for porn, essentially, you are paying for sex. Porn can treat men (ussually wounded or immature men) to unrealistic, ill-mannered, and ungracious views and expectations about love, relationship, intimacy, and sex.

The unrealistic expectation will cause problems when the women the pornography addict gets with, do not add up to the beauty of the nearly unblemished bodies of porn stars, along with their experience in bed. Thus, this will make it difficult for their partner to satisfy them.

With any addiction, a desensitization from over stimulation of pleasure receptors leads to other extremes to achieve the same level of pleasure. This is what can cause some sex addicts to hire prostitutes , even if such behavior formerly went against their moral code.

In rare extreme cases, this greater need for more has lead the porn addict to act on their deviant fantasies which can be sex with children, and sometimes acting out violent fantasies which can lead to murder in extremely rare cases.

Keeping sexual images constantly on the mind changes brain chemistry so the mind thinks more and more about sex and loses interest in other things. This appetite for sex can cause the person deep frustration which blinds their ability to reason and leads to reckless behavior and sociophathic behavior, as any addiction can and has done.

Often men, (self included) turn to porn as an easy way to provide temporary relief from depression, anxiety, or loneliness, and the easy way out of having to go out and meet women, take some risks, and make the sacrifices that a relationship requires. This can in the end however lead to more depression due to the longing for what no magazine or internet site can offer, often just hurting one's self-esteem more and feeling more empty.

Ted Bundy (rapist and charismatic serial killer of up to as many as 40 women) in his interview with Dobson, said that without exception, every sociopath, rapist, childmolester, or sex murderer like himself, had an addiction to pornography.

Fastforward this till about 13 min into it and you will see Ted bundy last interview less than 24 hours before his execution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcuU17TOgAQ

(I put this in the philosophy section because it has to do with ethics)

Do you think that after leaving Theism that you should still see pornography as wrong and abstain from it? If you never had a pornography issue, your answer to that question can be theoretical, rather than something you experienced personally.

I think you have answered your question. Excessive porn use leading to addictions can be harmful for a whole variety of reasons, many of which you mentioned.

Personally I think excessive porn use does harm relationships and leads to desensitization of sexual arousal threshold. I know this because for about 7 years I watched virtually no porn when religious and in relationships found even simple foreplay far more arousing than needing to go straight for the hardcore. This is no surprise from a neurological point of view considering the changes in brain chemistry which take place from prolonged porn use mean one requires more intense images to reach the same level of sexual arousal (like any addiction & desensitization).

The opposite extreme is also harmful eg muslim women wearing niqab - which leads to hyper arousal and potentially inflated desire & thinking about sex due to deprivation of images !!!!

Perhaps there are also cases were sexual crime might diminish due to porn - instead of some people desperate for sex going out and raping they just sit next to the computer and have a wank. I don't have hard peer reviewed research for this but I'm sure someone else has for those who want some psychological scientific analysis.

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16-08-2014, 10:28 AM
RE: The possible negative effects of Pornography
(16-08-2014 10:11 AM)Baruch Wrote:  
(30-07-2014 02:05 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  So, one thing that may have been nice about my Catholic convictions was going more than five years without looking at porn.

I know that it is a small percentage of people who are lead into sexually abusive behavior as a result of a porn addiction, but think in many cases it damages a person in some way, and gets them addicted to sex. This can lead to sexual perversions , that can lead to using other people to gratify one's lust. Like any addiction it can cloud one's judgement and blind the conscience a bit.

Porn can potentially be addictive as drugs and Can lead to marital problems. It can objectify both women (and men), leading to an increased need to gratify a sexual urge without any emotional or intellectual connection to the object used to satisfy the urge, be it a man, woman, or child.

The more porn consumed, the more money the filth industry makes, and if you are paying for porn, essentially, you are paying for sex. Porn can treat men (ussually wounded or immature men) to unrealistic, ill-mannered, and ungracious views and expectations about love, relationship, intimacy, and sex.

The unrealistic expectation will cause problems when the women the pornography addict gets with, do not add up to the beauty of the nearly unblemished bodies of porn stars, along with their experience in bed. Thus, this will make it difficult for their partner to satisfy them.

With any addiction, a desensitization from over stimulation of pleasure receptors leads to other extremes to achieve the same level of pleasure. This is what can cause some sex addicts to hire prostitutes , even if such behavior formerly went against their moral code.

In rare extreme cases, this greater need for more has lead the porn addict to act on their deviant fantasies which can be sex with children, and sometimes acting out violent fantasies which can lead to murder in extremely rare cases.

Keeping sexual images constantly on the mind changes brain chemistry so the mind thinks more and more about sex and loses interest in other things. This appetite for sex can cause the person deep frustration which blinds their ability to reason and leads to reckless behavior and sociophathic behavior, as any addiction can and has done.

Often men, (self included) turn to porn as an easy way to provide temporary relief from depression, anxiety, or loneliness, and the easy way out of having to go out and meet women, take some risks, and make the sacrifices that a relationship requires. This can in the end however lead to more depression due to the longing for what no magazine or internet site can offer, often just hurting one's self-esteem more and feeling more empty.

Ted Bundy (rapist and charismatic serial killer of up to as many as 40 women) in his interview with Dobson, said that without exception, every sociopath, rapist, childmolester, or sex murderer like himself, had an addiction to pornography.

Fastforward this till about 13 min into it and you will see Ted bundy last interview less than 24 hours before his execution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcuU17TOgAQ

(I put this in the philosophy section because it has to do with ethics)

Do you think that after leaving Theism that you should still see pornography as wrong and abstain from it? If you never had a pornography issue, your answer to that question can be theoretical, rather than something you experienced personally.

I think you have answered your question. Excessive porn use leading to addictions can be harmful for a whole variety of reasons, many of which you mentioned.

Personally I think excessive porn use does harm relationships and leads to desensitization of sexual arousal threshold. I know this because for about 7 years I watched virtually no porn when religious and in relationships found even simple foreplay far more arousing than needing to go straight for the hardcore. This is no surprise from a neurological point of view considering the changes in brain chemistry which take place from prolonged porn use mean one requires more intense images to reach the same level of sexual arousal (like any addiction & desensitization).

The opposite extreme is also harmful eg muslim women wearing niqab - which leads to hyper arousal and potentially inflated desire & thinking about sex due to deprivation of images !!!!

Perhaps there are also cases were sexual crime might diminish due to porn - instead of some people desperate for sex going out and raping they just sit next to the computer and have a wank. I don't have hard peer reviewed research for this but I'm sure someone else has for those who want some psychological scientific analysis.

This is an interesting article:
http://freakonomics.com/2011/08/04/porn-...continues/
Studies are inconclusive whether porn reduces violent sexual crime but there is some correlation between more internet access and reduced violent sexual crime.

We can speculate that a CAUSAL LINK would be porn provides a safe private sexual outlet for people who would otherwise be deviant and go raping. However we don't have enough evidence to justify the causal link (.....its a controversy being debated)

Some would counter argue that if images of violent sex as easily available then this makes violent sexual crime more acceptable and people will go and commit more violent crime. For example women are more objectified and treated with less respect and increased sexual advances without consent.
This may be true considering there are more websites available providing rape scenes by actors. If we take for granted that simulated rape by actors is acceptable entertainment then perhaps actual rape becomes more acceptable (or at least not that bad or "the woman asked for it" attitude even if actual consent not given. This is heightened even further by books/films such as 50 shades of grey becoming popular on a much wider public scale than going to some dodgy corner store in some dark alley in the red-light district.

Not sure the above reasoning is justifiable considering we watch many simulated murders on TV but don't exactly go out and commit more murders ? Then again the murders we watch on TV still have a moral background as the murderers being bad/evil unlike violent sex acts which are glorified as fun sexual stimulation.

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16-08-2014, 10:34 AM
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(16-08-2014 10:28 AM)Baruch Wrote:  
(16-08-2014 10:11 AM)Baruch Wrote:  I think you have answered your question. Excessive porn use leading to addictions can be harmful for a whole variety of reasons, many of which you mentioned.

Personally I think excessive porn use does harm relationships and leads to desensitization of sexual arousal threshold. I know this because for about 7 years I watched virtually no porn when religious and in relationships found even simple foreplay far more arousing than needing to go straight for the hardcore. This is no surprise from a neurological point of view considering the changes in brain chemistry which take place from prolonged porn use mean one requires more intense images to reach the same level of sexual arousal (like any addiction & desensitization).

The opposite extreme is also harmful eg muslim women wearing niqab - which leads to hyper arousal and potentially inflated desire & thinking about sex due to deprivation of images !!!!

Perhaps there are also cases were sexual crime might diminish due to porn - instead of some people desperate for sex going out and raping they just sit next to the computer and have a wank. I don't have hard peer reviewed research for this but I'm sure someone else has for those who want some psychological scientific analysis.

This is an interesting article:
http://freakonomics.com/2011/08/04/porn-...continues/
Studies are inconclusive whether porn reduces violent sexual crime but there is some correlation between more internet access and reduced violent sexual crime.

We can speculate that a CAUSAL LINK would be porn provides a safe private sexual outlet for people who would otherwise be deviant and go raping. However we don't have enough evidence to justify the causal link (.....its a controversy being debated)

Some would counter argue that if images of violent sex as easily available then this makes violent sexual crime more acceptable and people will go and commit more violent crime. For example women are more objectified and treated with less respect and increased sexual advances without consent.
This may be true considering there are more websites available providing rape scenes by actors. If we take for granted that simulated rape by actors is acceptable entertainment then perhaps actual rape becomes more acceptable (or at least not that bad or "the woman asked for it" attitude even if actual consent not given. This is heightened even further by books/films such as 50 shades of grey becoming popular on a much wider public scale than going to some dodgy corner store in some dark alley in the red-light district.

Not sure the above reasoning is justifiable considering we watch many simulated murders on TV but don't exactly go out and commit more murders ? Then again the murders we watch on TV still have a moral background as the murderers being bad/evil unlike violent sex acts which are glorified as fun sexual stimulation.

This is an article opposed to the increased porn usage leads to decreased rape rates - generally showing overall violent crime as decreased over the same period. We have some correlations and unknown causation.
http://catholicexchange.com/does-porn-prevent-rape
...then again its the catholic exchange ? Bias ?

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